Its also just totally a false equivalency. Lets entertain for a moment the fact that Peta is an imperfect organization that doesn’t always do the right thing. Okay and? The industry they protest exploits not just animals, but Children and Workers. Its carbon footprint is playing an instrumental role in destroying the biosphere. But sure, PETA is imperfect so I guess we’ll all just keep eating meat.
I don’t do gish gallops, so I’m just going to address this:
PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them.
That is bullshit. There are no kill shelters all over the country. There’s one in my town. They didn’t even euthanize after they were overwhelmed when we had a huge storm that destroyed structures. They just found people who would foster while they could rehome as much as they could. PETA doesn’t do that.
British journalist Mehdi Hasan suggests using these three steps to beat the Gish gallop:
Because there are too many falsehoods to address, it is wise to choose one as an example. Choose the weakest, dumbest, most ludicrous argument that your opponent has presented and tear this argument to shreds (also known as the weak point rebuttal).
Do not budge from the issue. Don’t move on until you have decisively destroyed the nonsense and clearly made your point.
Call it out: name the strategy. “This is a strategy called the ‘Gish Gallop’. Do not be fooled by the flood of nonsense you have just heard.”
I’d just stop now. I just realized who you’re commenting with, and the guy just had a long-ass pissy argument. When I slowed down to show him evidence, he kept changing topics and then ragequit when it didn’t work.
Feel free to check my comment history (or his) for proof of this.
Can also check my comment history I’m just going to try and ignore dx1 although I don’t know how effective that’s going be considering he’s on every god dam comment winging and moaning
“Just look it up until a fringe source from an unknown media group ““debunks”” it, despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary, then change your entire point of view from it” in other words: just google the opposite of what you said and go with that answer plz thx. Color me convinced! For the record: every fact check I looked up corroborated the obvious: PETA euthanizes pets at an obscene rate compared to even the most ruthless pounds in the us.
It’s like every time people post something false, and you know it’s false, you can’t just let them know, they expect you to spend the next two hours of your life pulling up all the sources to show them, again and again and again and again and again and again. I’ve had this exact same conversation dozens of times, I’m sick of it.
seems like you know how to avoid this, but you choose instead to get mad at people asking you to support your own claims.
I think that’s the problem. So many people are unaware of the difference between vegans, militant vegans, and peta-assholes. The second and third are the hardest to differentiate (and they are different)
When you can someone to start ranting about depopulation intervention and driving food species to extinction, then you found the PETA (also the PITA)
not really. peta militancy helps no one. you arent going to make people eat less meat by being assholes and shame people for eating meat. Peta would have better results is they just advocated for people to eat less meat and be more conscious about where there food in general comes from as well as advocating for proper animal care and awareness. They are never going to stop people from eating meat and they seem to refuse to accept that.
I am saying in PETAs case, they would catch more flys with honey, rather than vinegar. I don’t believe that making fun of people and making them feel bad about a system that isn’t transparent is the way to go. Compassion and education in this case, would work best. imo. Small incremental steps - not wholesale instant change.
Leave the dirty work to the ALF. Which I also support. :)
True, but IMO his is the worst one and he’s supposed to be one of the normal ones but has a weirder vibe than most of the ones that are SUPPOSED to be all weird and futuristic.
Kinda like an emo Eminem with super strength but even weirder.
fuck peta
edit: oh no! the soyboys are attacking!
They should hate PETA too. No one has done more to hurt the cause of ending animal cruelty than PETA.
Their shelter euthanization rates are shocking too.
Thank you! There’s surprisingly an awful number of supporters here, I don’t know why…
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Its also just totally a false equivalency. Lets entertain for a moment the fact that Peta is an imperfect organization that doesn’t always do the right thing. Okay and? The industry they protest exploits not just animals, but Children and Workers. Its carbon footprint is playing an instrumental role in destroying the biosphere. But sure, PETA is imperfect so I guess we’ll all just keep eating meat.
I don’t do gish gallops, so I’m just going to address this:
That is bullshit. There are no kill shelters all over the country. There’s one in my town. They didn’t even euthanize after they were overwhelmed when we had a huge storm that destroyed structures. They just found people who would foster while they could rehome as much as they could. PETA doesn’t do that.
Today I learned what a Gish Gallop is.
Nicely done.
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here’s one for starter
here’s another one
this one’s a bit dated, but still relevant
I’d just stop now. I just realized who you’re commenting with, and the guy just had a long-ass pissy argument. When I slowed down to show him evidence, he kept changing topics and then ragequit when it didn’t work.
Feel free to check my comment history (or his) for proof of this.
Can also check my comment history I’m just going to try and ignore dx1 although I don’t know how effective that’s going be considering he’s on every god dam comment winging and moaning
Well, damn. I got to you too late. Or vice versa.
My wife brought home popeyes since my last comment to you. It’s better than KFC 🐔 😁
I wish I could give popeyes ago sadly I’m across the pond sounds nice enjoy
Their spicy chicken is to die for, and like 90% less greasy than KFC. And I haven’t done the math, but I think they’re cheaper, too.
We fry our own chicken sometimes, and are pretty damn good cooks. And we prefer Popeyes. Which says something.
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I love it when people say this without even suggesting where to do this research. Let me guess- Google it. Because that’s what I already did.
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“Just look it up until a fringe source from an unknown media group ““debunks”” it, despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary, then change your entire point of view from it” in other words: just google the opposite of what you said and go with that answer plz thx. Color me convinced! For the record: every fact check I looked up corroborated the obvious: PETA euthanizes pets at an obscene rate compared to even the most ruthless pounds in the us.
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seems like you know how to avoid this, but you choose instead to get mad at people asking you to support your own claims.
Nah I’m vegan, fuck peta.
I’m a full-time meat eater, but I respect vegans who don’t go around minding people’s businesses, which is exactly what peta does.
All activism could be called “minding people’s business”. That’s not really a fair criticism.
I think that’s the problem. So many people are unaware of the difference between vegans, militant vegans, and peta-assholes. The second and third are the hardest to differentiate (and they are different)
When you can someone to start ranting about depopulation intervention and driving food species to extinction, then you found the PETA (also the PITA)
Based
not really. peta militancy helps no one. you arent going to make people eat less meat by being assholes and shame people for eating meat. Peta would have better results is they just advocated for people to eat less meat and be more conscious about where there food in general comes from as well as advocating for proper animal care and awareness. They are never going to stop people from eating meat and they seem to refuse to accept that.
Dude that’s like saying that any form of activism that calls you out on shitty behaviour is in vain and shouldn’t be practised. Not a good take
That’s not what I’m saying at all.
I am saying in PETAs case, they would catch more flys with honey, rather than vinegar. I don’t believe that making fun of people and making them feel bad about a system that isn’t transparent is the way to go. Compassion and education in this case, would work best. imo. Small incremental steps - not wholesale instant change.
Leave the dirty work to the ALF. Which I also support. :)
Indeed, fuck peta
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Don’t you mean peter like Peter Griffin
Or maybe the dude from The Hunger Games? You know, the weird one with the bad name?
What do you mean they all have bad names
True, but IMO his is the worst one and he’s supposed to be one of the normal ones but has a weirder vibe than most of the ones that are SUPPOSED to be all weird and futuristic.
Kinda like an emo Eminem with super strength but even weirder.
That too, but not as much as PeTA
What about petAh griffin
Yeah, fuck him too
You want to fuck petah Griffin? Oh no oh no oh no no no