we live in hell

I don’t even understand the pitch? you have the disc playing, in your hands, your ownership, no buffering, no subscription required. and they’re saying…hey do you want a worse experience?

    • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      I ended up giving up and just putting a Linux PC attached to my TV as a media center. I host plex on it.

      • SkippingRelax@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I don’t see how this is giving up though. Been doing this to close to two decades in one form of another and I wouldn’t consider any other way. Except kodi instead of plexus here.

        • Victor@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 year ago

          Other server software are available of course. The concept stays the same though. Very much recommend doing this. I’m halfway there, running Plex on my desktop PC and watching on my TV and other devices at home. Very comfortable setup. But I wish I had a small computer like a Pi or something, and a NAS to hold my drives. That way my desktop PC could rest.

          • Krauerking@lemy.lol
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Personally I was a fan of buying something like a Dell optiplex as my my NAS and Pihole but I do wish I had a better enclosure for the drives as any truly good one seems to be hundreds of dollars and mildly defeats the idea of self hosting being cheaper.

            • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              1 year ago

              I just use an old crappy hand-me-down mid-tower gaming case I stuffed some drives into. As long as you can keep them cool, dusted, and away from vibrations (with HDDs), plenty of (used?)cases will have enough HDD slots to get you started.

              Also old rackmount servers on ebay have plenty of slots I hear, but rackmount fans are waaaaay louder.

              • Victor@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                1 year ago

                Room is my main issue. Living in an apartment I can’t have large boxes/computers just standing anywhere. So it has to be very small and quiet. 😅 Pi should be perfect. Maybe mount it underneath my desk where my desktop PC is or something. 👍

                • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Right on, that makes sense!

                  If you’re not planning on storing absolutely tons of data at first, you can also squeeze a lot into so-called “1 liter PCs”. Traditional platform, a little more power and room than a Pi, and you can neatly tuck them away!

                  I hear they float around eBay quite readily these days.

                  Sadly haven’t been hearing the very best things about the Pi 5, but earlier ones can do well as little servers.

                  I’ve been learning a lot from the self hosted podcast lately haha. Also one of the hosts runs this site (which I happened to find first) that can be pretty helpful!

                  https://perfectmediaserver.com/

                  I remember some folks on reddit saying USB isn’t the most reliable connection for long-term drives, but I’m not 100% sure what that was about. Maybe the connectors wear out?

                  Perhaps someone who knows more can enlighten me.

                  Best of luck! I hope you have a lot of fun. 😁

    • xyguy@startrek.website
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Connected a Samsung smart TV to my network when we first got it. The thing damn-near crashed my pi-hole asking for so many ad/tracking domains. Factory reset it later that same day. I think my % of requests blocked went from 15% to 68% in just the 3 hours or so the Smart TV was connected.

      • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        They started to wisen up and hard-coded dns requests to 8.8.8.8 to bypass dns ad blockers now. Heck, some apps like Netflix already do it for years now. If your router can transparently redirect all dns requests to your pi-hole, you should use that feature.

        • SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          So they recognize that the owner of the product is trying to prevent them from collecting data, and actively try to circumvent the owner’s security measures? This shit should be illegal, and carry a huge fine. You paid for the device, and it’s connected to your network, which you control. I’m sick and tired of corporations thinking it’s totally okay to be straight-up spyware and adware. Some supposedly legitimate companies these days make old-school computer viruses look down right respectful.

          • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Not only that, I have the entire Roku domain blocked on my network, and even though there’s no reason for it, as evidenced by the fact that there’s no problem running it for a month, and it doesn’t happen to all TVs, depending when it was last handled, it breaks my Plex app every 30 days in such a way that it needs to be fully reinstalled, which requires unblocking Roku, allowing phone home of the prior month’s data. Old, but not obsolete, app versions should still work fine - have a kodi Plex app that hasn’t been updated in years and that works without issue. So this is absolutely an intentional choice to force users to at least cough up their viewing data, even if they can’t give you their ads. And they can collect a surprising amount of information through those apps.

            Took me a couple months to figure out what was happening (by waiting 2 months and doing the reinstall on the same day for all of them and checking the next time one broke, then staggering them the next time) but I’m no longer using the apps and will probably just factory reset all three of them, leave them off the network entirely.

            The amount of work they do as a company to make my private experience complete shit because I don’t want them invasively collecting my info and shoving ads down my throat… is absolutely disgusting.

        • Stupidmanager@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          or use the blocking feature of your firewall. Here’s Roku being persistent and ignoring my pihole. Firewalla for the win.

    • DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Yep - this. I absolutely abhor “smart” TVs for just this reason.

      But, even lack of internet sometimes isn’t enough. I recently, and inadvertently, left the wireless adapter on my TV enabled, after having to temporarily join it to my wireless for a firmware update (digital TV tuning needed updating for my region). After I was done, I cleared the wireless config, but I didn’t think to go into the other menu where you can entirely disable the wireless adapter.

      Little did I realise that meant the TV started broadcasting its own SSID, for friggin’ Apple Airplay or some other shit. I found this out when my 9yo daughter was suddenly exposed to some adult content for about 10 seconds. Best guess is a nearby neighbour mistook my TV for theirs.

      I’ve obviously disabled the wireless adapter again, but this has been a terribly difficult lesson I’ve had to learn.

      For anyone concerned, my daughter is OK. My wife had a good chat with her about it. She had considerably more talking down to do with me - I was ready to start knocking on doors, to have my own chat.

      • NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I work in IT at a fitness center and we have TVs in front of the treadmills. They are not enterprise TVs, just standard Samsung TVs. Above the treadmills, we have a conference room. After setting up a conference room with wireless screen sharing, I found that all of the TV’s below show up when trying to cast. Obviously I tried to disable them, but there is no way to do so outside of physically ripping out the antenna. I called support and everything. Why the fuck was that decision made

    • snowe@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      All new Roku devices do that, even if it’s not a Roku tv. Roku went from one of the best video devices to the worst in one fell swoop. Literally the only good off the shelf device is the Apple TV.

        • Konala Koala@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          More like everything will be in a landfill before you allow it to send 1s and 0s through anything but the HDMI cord.

            • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’m unaware of any widely adopted use of HEC. Certainly none of the modern consoles use HEC, and I don’t think my smart TV is compatible with it either

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            I feel like I’m explaining how you use a screen without touching it. Is this what it’s like to be old?

            You use HDMI. There are ports on the side of the device that allow video input from devices like computers and Xboxes. I use my computer and Xbox to watch Youtube and TV shows.

            If you’re asking why I have a smart TV instead of a dumb TV, that’s because we live in 2023 and finding a TV without a wifi adapter is like finding a phone without a blighted notch

  • Teon@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    Anytime you see the word “smart” in the name of the product, remember to mentally replace the word “smart” with “tracking”.

  • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    This is called Automatic Content Recognition and it can be disabled in the settings, highly recommend doing that. It should have asked you whether you wanted it enabled when you set up the TV, as it’s legally required to be opt-in in the US opposed to opt-out. Since you’re using a Roku Smart TV, it specifically is taking two full resolution “video snapshots” every second.

    • Rognaut@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I believe it’s Roku. That purple symbol in the bottom right is on the remote as well.

      Very budget so this doesn’t surprise me.

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Fuck Roku. Don’t buy these. They shove ads down your throat constantly, and they proactively, aggressively stop methods of circumvention.

      • idunnololz@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Wtf I thought roku TV were one of the good ones. I use a Roku thing that you plug in and I haven’t seen this yet.

        • aeronmelon@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          The Roku box was one of the good ones… about ten years ago. Though maybe this is just a TV thing. TIL Roku makes actual screens.

          In the past few years especially, I’ve seen so many unshakable “good ones” go bad. Some, in the worst possible way.

    • AZERTY@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      The little asterisk symbol on the screen is leading me to believe it’s a Roku.

          • linkinkampf19@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            The amount of Roku stuff my PiHole blocks is asinine. I just recently added a blocklist for smart TVs and it ballooned the query counts like mad.

            +1 for PiHole. Worth the ~$40 for the Pi Zero W and accessories alone.

  • The Barto@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Hey! How dare you only pay once for a lifetime of viewing, you should be paying monthly… No daily, for the right to view pieces of cultural history.

  • pseudo@jlai.lu
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    We need a Lemmy community dedicated to find, repair and exchange dumb TV. These are become increasingly rare and increasingly needed.

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Even if you must own a smart TV (because it’s impossible to buy a large-ish TV anymore that isn’t), I see no reason to actually connect it to any network. But! I notice recent models will bitch at you on every single power on if you leave them disconnected. So you’re not even safe from being annoyed then.

    • Boozilla@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Some people get big computer monitors instead of a TV, because of shit like this.

      • cobysev@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        That’s the route I took. I recently bought a 48" 4K monitor, hooked a mini PC up to it, and now I stream my movie and TV show collection through Plex. I still have Internet access on my “TV,” but I’m in control of what pops up (I block all ads on my home network). I just use a small wireless keyboard and mouse instead of a remote.

        I haven’t actually owned a TV since about 2008. I have better media options through computers, and the technology just keeps getting better. Cable and public access television are a pain because you’re constantly bombarded with ads. With my own computer, I can circumvent ads and get a solid viewing experience.

  • KeenFlame@feddit.nu
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Ah yes I want to watch the exact same thing I am watching but from another provider, definitely just take my money, hypercapitalist

  • LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    I can almost guarantee this was some stupid marketing exec’s idea. Someone had to write the code that interprets that you’re watching an episode that someone else has available for streaming. Any software dev worth their salt would have seen this request and said “This is the dumbest fucking idea I have ever seen in my life” and they probably had to make it anyway because it pays the bills.

  • PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Pretty soon you won’t be allowed to use a tv to watch stuff that isn’t state approved media from a state approved source. I had an airbnb once that was set up in such a way that you could sign in to any streaming service you wanted but hdmi was blocked. I doubt the owner intentionally did that but it’s scary to actually see this type of shit firsthand.

  • parpol@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Just get a dumbTV, or a large PC display and speakers.

    If you also need YouTube, Netflix, casting, etc, get a raspberry pi, and install kodi on it.

    • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      this is one major reason i switched to a projector. The “smart” malware trend has not caught up to home cinema projectors

      • gareins@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        In the low end market (sub 500eur) they are mostly android tv, so not dumb. For this reason i own an old wxga nec projector. It can do 720p, is very bright, costs about 50eur used, replacement bulbs cheap on aliexpress. It gets hot though. I pair it with 5.1 audio and rooted android tv box and the wife fully approves this :)