I’m all for it, but what kicked it off?
What’s the deal with the grid symbol? The “hashtag” with extra lines?
Earlier this week a user posted “kill Nazis” and got a warning from Imgur saying that imgur is an inclusive platform, welcome to everyone. (which apparently includes Nazis?)
That’s what kicked this off (again).There was already some upset feelings in the community because at the beginning of the week one of the “Elbow Deep In A” accounts got suspended over a “Gone Mild” drawing of a goblin girl. So it didn’t take much for the community to be really upset with “business daddy”
kind of wish we would stop letting them have Nordic runes.
You know what? I don’t care what kicked it off. I don’t care if it’s a billionaire paying for bots. I’m just glad that the kind of people that get programmed by social media to vote for horrible shit might finally get programmed to do some good for a change.
Imgur has pissed me off long enough that I decided to roll my own this summer. When all I need is a place to store stuff for easy linking, building a web frontend is pretty trivial.
Plus I’m not limited to whatever file type and size imgur decides.
And guess what, my site condones punching Nazis:
We need to take back the Thorn. Too many things are written as Ye in fake middle English (or fake early modern) which should be written with the thorn!
Wait, how is “not equal to” a Nazi symbol?
It is a symbol used to intend that races are not equal.
Uuuuugggghhhhh
Fun fact: that’s why most computer programming languages use “!=” instead of “≠”
No it’s because you can’t type the not equal symbol very easily. If you type it it won’t work because most compilers aren’t expecting it.
But you know your fact is nicer than the boring reality
Sauce required plz
“I wrote it on the internet” isn’t a good enough sauce for ppl, it’s tasteless
I thought it had more to do with the fact that there isn’t a ≠ key on most people’s keyboards.
That’s the actual reason
Damn… this is the one thing I learned today. Thanks!
This is not one thing you learned today come on dude just think about it for two seconds. Could there possibly by another, much more likely reason that a programming language wouldn’t use ≠? Here’s a hint- if you’re at a computer, look down at your keyboard.
I mean, if the point you’re trying to make is that “≠” is not available on a keyboard, =/= is.
What’s your point? =/= Isn’t the “not equals to” term, it’s !=
Just as ≥ isn’t available, so you have >= and ≈ is not on the keyboard, so we have ==
Formal logical operators require the you to press the alt key and enter a numerical sequence on the keypad. If I had to type the logical operators with alt codes it would slow me down.
3 chars, not 2
A lot of reddit users, especially those who have recently been permabanned due to the great censorship purge, are just hanging out there now. Not much censorship.
It’s super antifa. I scroll there a lot when I’m in a meme mood.
I’d say it started going hard political around the same time as everything else. February 2025.
Wait how do you use imgur besides posting images
It’s got a frontpage with public posts and comments
Yep I split my time between Lemmy and Imgur to fill the void after leaving reddit, cause Lemmy alone unfortunately isn’t enough to show you everything there was to see on reddit.
That said, be warned that it’s corporate owners have no problems with collecting as much data as they can off your phone and selling it to anyone who’s buying. Just look at this shit:
So if you do decide to go there, do yourself a favor and wear a condom. Install DuckDuckGo and enable “app tracking protection”, and get a DNS-level adblocker on your phone as well. AdGuard or NextDNS are both fine choices.
+1 for AdGuard DNS. Using apps without it is a damn nightmare. Almost thought my phone had some kind of virus the other day when I temporarily turned it off and then opened mapquest
I just gave up imgur myself for voicing an opinion of civil disobedience and then told why don’t I go there myself with a gun and start shooting. Nuance seems to be dead everywhere.
Thanks that’s good info to have.
I’m hearing they are starting to censor but that must be kinda new.
Too bad.
It was, as you say, a decent reddit alternative for images/memes.
So I infrequently use Imgur and basically a user got banned for saying ‘kill all nazis’ and another user’s post got taken down that had anti-nazi rhetoric. This is the most recent of a few scenarios where the mods have been seen as incompetent or overall shitty and so the community revolts. Honestly kinda dig it, at least they can coordinate and show a unified front…granted it’s slacktivism to a point but it gets people’s attention? Idk how I feel about it honestly.
People talk of Imgur being a leftist echo chamber. I have had more than enough neoliberal types on there argue about the benefits of capitalism to me or that we shouldn’t have worker solidarity. I feel when these events happen, it’s part legitimately pissed of users but a lot of people just riding the up vote wagon.
It still surprises me that people use Imgur as a social media site. Imgur to me is a place that hosts image to be used on other social media sites. Using imgur as a social media site is like using a url shortener as a social media site. What’s next, Captcha becomes a social media hangout?
I used it that way for years. It’s better for memes than fediverse or Reddit, except for two things: 1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I don’t like Nazis, but that also means I don’t want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out. 2 increasingly all the popular stuff isn’t memes at all, but shitting on trump and musk. See point 1.
Then they blocked the UK because they didn’t want to put an age field on their registration form (note this is not to do with age verification)
Imgur has been pretty shit at hosting images for other sites for about a decade because it’s trying very hard to keep people captive on its site. They added ways to prevent hotlinking and if I paste an imgur link in a chat, starting with i., supposedly a direct link to the image, the preview will not work and the page the link sends to will always open their whole site around that image. They really really want people to stay on there, and interact, or watch ads. AFAIK they have made that change about a decade ago as they wanted to monetize.
At least there won’t be bots with Captcha
As social media? I’m getting old. It used to just be an image hosting site.
I’m so old I remember the first post. Hey you can host images for reddit here. The other image hosting sites at the time sucked, they were slow, purged content frequently, and were full of ads. I signed up immediately and imgur was good for almost 10 years and nearly the only place images from reddit reddit users were hosted. I think the pressure to monetize combined with reddit’s own image hosting push sent them into the enshitification death spiral.
I never signed up, mainly because there was never any need to sign up. You could just go there, paste an image, and get a link to it.
Why would you sign up? It would be like signing up to use a URL shortener.
If you save the images to your account, you can repost them when the thread calls for it.
eg I have a photo of my foot when I broke it off at the ankle. It comes up occasionally and the link is still usable years later. You also have more control over visibility (and posting to Imgur users etc, ie don’t).
For throwaway memes you’ll never want to share again, treating it like a url shortener is great.
I was also looking to support good non advertising startups at the time, the 2000s we were still excited about what an open web would become, before enshitification became the norm.
The rise in nazis thinking they are acceptable
Nazis and other supremists are the reason intolerance needs to exist.
The social contract of tolerance doesn’t extend to those who are intolerant. They are outside the protection of Tolerant Society’s protection, and the Tolerant are free (and, in fact, strongly encouraged) not to tolerate them, because they aren’t covered.
This guy obviously didn’t get that memo
I really love that story. He is a better person than me. I really wish I still had hope for my fellow man like he does, but trump’s second election fucking broke me. People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the “fuck your feelings” bandwagon.
I’ve lost hope. I’ve lost love. I only have anger anymore.
People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the “fuck your feelings” bandwagon.
I don’t know your friends. But I’d argue there’s at least some reasoning for this.
If trade policies like globalization have harmed your economic status, offshoring a lot of the jobs you’d previously held, and you were having trouble feeding your family, wouldn’t you vote for the person you thought could fix this? Wouldn’t you say ‘fuck your feelings, I need to feed my family so I’m sorry if you have trouble putting the sex you want on your passport I’m more worried about feeding my family’? At least in concept?I think that’s where a lot of that sentiment came from. The people of the nation are hurting, and part of Trump’s message always was ‘I see you hurting and I want to fix it’. Dems are totally tone deaf in their messaging. A huge % of the populace gets left out of the ‘American Dream’ and they say nothing. And in recent years they focus a lot on social justice issues and identity politics while ignoring the elephant in the room. It’s why those good people are saying fuck your feelings (IMHO at least), because if the choice is your feelings or their livelihood, then of course they’ll tell your feelings to shove off.
Of course it didn’t work out that way- government cutbacks, tariffs, foreign policy, all handled in such a ham-fisted non-strategic way that whatever benefit might have been gained was instead lost. And now it’s the little guy suffering, so you see a lot of people renouncing their votes.
All I’m saying is keep in mind some of those people who said ‘fuck your feelings’ thought they were fighting for a greater good. I don’t believe they turned malicious. Some did I’m sure, but not all of them.
Thanks for trying to help keep me grounded.
No worries my friend. I know it’s hard, but it’s useful to always assume good faith.
“The monster never sees a monster in the mirror. We all have good reasons and justifications for what we do.” – J. Michael Straczynski
That applies to us too.
I think it especially applied in 2016, first time in my life that all pretense of respectful debate went away, replaced with ‘unfriend me if you like Trump’ as a mainstream accepted even encouraged position to have.
I talk to a lot of people who supported Trump. Most of them talked about tariffs, manufacturing, jobs, there was a dream of bringing back American industry and rolling back outsourcing. Yes there was some assholes, but there were plenty of good American folks who just wanted to keep their jobs.
But if you listened to Democrats, the only valid reason anyone would vote for Trump is because they are a tiki torch wielding racist misogynist sexist xenophobic islamophobic basket of deplorables. The public discourse broke down for good, it was all just insults from both sides.Nobody saw a monster in the mirror. We only saw an opposition supporting a guy who was basically openly racist and creeped on his own daughter.
But they didn’t see a monster in the mirror either. They only saw an ivory tower elite whipping ourselves into a frenzy over which bathroom someone uses while the middle class is dying.That’s why, in my opinion at least, it is always vitally important to generally assume good faith on the part of your opposition. Because if there is good faith, then we repair the cracks that are dividing the country. And if there really isn’t good faith, then we are all totally fucked anyway so it doesn’t make any goddamn difference.
I find that assassinating prominent political figures helps me feel better.
How many have you killed today?
Nice try FBI
.338 Lapua for the soul
I’m just thinking opsec here, why wouldn’t you choose the ubiquitous .308? I mean even ol’ Charles showed us the 30-06 can be effective even if you miss and it is a much more common round.
I’d argue he isn’t tolerating white supremacy, he’s found a good way to counteract it. If he tolerated it he wouldn’t do anything.
It’s BY tolerating it (or more specifically, the people who espouse it) that he fights it.
And I think that’s the key difference- tolerating intolerance (the action), vs tolerating the intolerant (the people).
I think we would all (probably including Mr. Davis) agree that the action of intolerance should not be tolerated. For example, if a local movie theater wants to have ‘whites only’ movie nights, that should not be tolerated and in fact we should all aggressively fight back against such things wherever they happen.
But what of the intolerant person? What of the theater owner in the above example? Should we run him out of town? Tar and feather him? Refuse to talk to him?
The KKK folks he encountered are used to intolerance- threats, shouting, protests, etc. They know they’re not popular, but that helps feed the belief that they are right. They’re used to it. They’re NOT used to being welcomed by anti-racists.And thus Mr. Davis got through to the racist- by tolerating the intolerant, not by tolerating intolerance. It’s a subtle but vital difference.
I don’t know that he didn’t get it. He just hadn’t a different method of fighting back. Not everyone is going to be able to go around knocking them out. The vast majority of people won’t in fact. There are still other tools they can use to stop the spread, or, in rare cases, reverse it. You have to be careful to not legitimize it though if you’re doing something like that.
This thread got me thinking a little more about Mr. Davis.
We talk about ‘not tolerating intolerance’ but I think there’s a second level-- there’s the intolerance (the actions of the racist), and then there’s the intolerant (the racists themselves). It’s easy and simple to group the two together- we don’t want racism, we don’t want the KKK, we don’t want KKK members, all of you go fuck yourselves with your burning cross and go die in a fire (preferably in another county).
I don’t think Mr. Davis would tolerate intolerance any more than you or I. But I think what he does is tolerate the intolerant person, engage them in conversation, treat them like a human being. And THAT can help fix intolerance- by reaching out to the intolerant people and trying to bring them into the larger community and heal them, rather than shunning them and reinforcing their stereotypes.
“Hate the sin, love the sinner”, so to speak.
Yep, and it has the potential to be very effective. I think we need both of these —punching Nazis and talking with them to change their views.
Another big issue that goes with this is a lot of people will say that if their were bigots once then they should be shunned. This is very harmful though. If we do that then their only reasonable option is to double down. If they lose their group and also can’t be accepted by the rest of society then they’re never going to do that.
I think this problem is much larger than only this right now too. People make their opinions equal to them as a person. They feel if they change their opinion then they’re failing as a person. This isn’t true though. Changing your opinions when you’re shown new information is a sign of strength.
Edit: accidentally double posted
Do the Nazis ever claim they are intolerant of minorities because the minorities were intolerant to them?
Unironically yes? Replacement theory, blood libel, global elitism… Whatever the angle, lots of -isms expouse roots in victimhood.
That view is fine and dandy with an an omniscient lens of who’s the reactionary intolerant and who is the originator of intolerance.
Group A: “I am intolerant of (group) because they need to go back to their own country and not live in mine.”
Group B: “I am intolerant of (group) because they don’t tolerate other ethnicities.”
This guy: “but who was intolerant first?”
Wrong question. It doesn’t matter who was “first”.
If the first group stops, the problem is gone.
If the second group stops, the problem is not gone but likely growing.You both completely miss the argument. Cile is strawmanning, vas is again viewing from the omniscient or opposing viewpoint.
Virtually all intolerants perceive themselves as victims. Permitting “intolerance of intolerance” is just accelerationist, “might makes right” ideology.
“what kicked it off?” gestures broadly at everything
I’d say it all started in the late 1960s with Nixon’s implementation of the southern strategy. What we’re seeing today is the resultant avalanche of American fascism, appropriately composed of fragile white snowflakes.
For LGBT+ and PoC it’s been a violent, fascist state against them for a long time. Just now it’s affecting the white people to a point they’re uncomfortable with but make no mistake, they’ll just let it happen again in a few more years.
Well it started with a genocidal colonial project. Then it started with the repression of class revolts like Bacon’s Rebellion. Then it started with the framing of a union of states that gave extra representation to rural slave-owners because their economic production was important. But it all started when those rural slave-owners wanted to make sure that new territorial expansions (remember, genocidal colonial project) also allowed slavery. Later it started when Lincoln was assassinated and his successor, Andrew Johnson, gave up on Reconstruction so the seditious slave-owning traitors weren’t held accountable for the sedition or slavery and were allowed back into seats of political power.
if only hubert humphrey was elected in 1968
oh and this is my 300th comment here on this lemmy instance. seriously!
Just because I have a Nazi tattoo and go to Nazi rallies and think ALL Jews and Minorities should die DOESNT make Me a NAZI! In FACT it makes YOU a Nazi!
-Republicans!
Stop using the fucking service! I’m so sick of people complaining about all of these tech companies, but they continue to use it. People need to realize they have an addiction issue and treat that shit.
“wait wait, this isn’t as bad as it looks, there’s a subtle context here that…”
-POW-He did not visualize that coming.
Ha. Nice subversion.
Whenever I have a knee-jerk response and it seems too played out, I think of a way to subvert it instead.
should’ve been ran out of town on a rail like homer stokes in the 2000 film “o brother where art thou”. seriously!
if you have a time machine, please prevent that red scare and also encourage any socialists/communists to express themselves. seriously!
if this were a socialist country, whoever got punched would’ve been in jail, and the person doing the punching would probably serve in the red army, working to protect the proletariat. seriously!
richard b spencer is an a-hole. seriously!
He tried a jedi force trick to stop the punch. And failed.
Have you ever lived if you never have punched a Nazi?
