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        Google is in the process of undermining the effectiveness of uBlock Origin and other adblockers on Chrome and other Chromium browsers. I believe that change comes into effect this year.

        But even before those changes were announced, uBlock Origin’s creator and main dev has stated that uBO is most capable on Firefox.

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        Does it work flawlessly on Android, iOS, and desktop? I’m really asking, because I ditched Chrome when it was less shitty than it currently is…

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          All iOS browsers have to use Webkit (or did last time I checked). So there’s not much of a point of running Firefox on iOS. It’s basically the same browser no matter what browser it says it is.

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              It is, but Apple being Apple, they are going all malicious compliance and will break evening else for non-Safari browsers lol

              Also this only applies in EU. To use 3rd party apps stores you won’t be able to leave the EU for more than 30 days at a time as well

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          The Orion browser for iOS is capable of using Firefox and Chrome extensions, although support can be a little spotty. Ublock works quite well though.

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              I still firmly believe there is at least one sane engineer there who’ll discourage this, knowing this will drive the last few tech-savvy users and their family members and close friends away and I will die on this hill

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    I’m all for people using Firefox instead of Chrome, but RAM being used up shouldn’t be a complaint unless something else needs that RAM. If it’s there, it should be considered usable.

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        It’s specifically about the efficiency of the usage. If it’s not used effectively, then it really is a waste.

        And we all know how efficient the Web is nowadays…

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          Why could ram usage be a waste? I thought only the allocation is the performance heavy part, allocated ram does not cost extra performance.

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            I’m referring to the philosophy behind the usage of said allocated ram.

            If you allocate 5 cookie jars to store 1 cookie in each jar, then that’s not good.

            If you store 2 cookies per jar, that’s better already, but still kind of crap.

            If the websites keep putting rocks in those jars, then you’ll obviously run rampant with usage. (Read: https://tonsky.me/blog/js-bloat/ )

            The goal is to store as many cookies in least amount of jars. You might crumble them down and reconstruct them later (compression and/or clever code) but that could take more brain (processing) power (of which we kinda have, especially on the desktop).

            As you’ve said, it’s often a tradeoff between processing power and memory usage and depending on the application, you can configure things the way you need them (at least when you’re coding it).

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              But Chrome, the actual application you download (as well as several forks), is closed source.

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                  But that’s not the real issue. The issue is that any Chromium-based browser – open source or not – helps Google maintain hegemony over web standards. Even if makers of other Chromium-based browsers try to maintain a fork of the rendering engine, they’ll be perpetually playing catch-up removing user-hostile misfeatures because Google controls the upstream branch.

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              Google still has control over Chromium. Manifest v3 is a Chromium thing, not a Chrome thing. All forks of Chromium will get it and none of the browsers using Chromium as a base has moved to fork and maintain their own version of Chromium.

              This means that Google effectively has a monopoly over all browsers that aren’t WebKit or Gecko based, which is a tiny portion of all browsers. Leading to Google deciding how people access the internet. It’s already worrying that Google is the internet for a lot of people, the fact that they can do more or less anything with Chromium means that they can do whatever they want with the web standard.

              That should be a major concern for everyone. Chromium needs to be taken away from Google.

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                all browsers that aren’t WebKit or Gecko

                I don’t get this part. Are all engines other than those 2, based on Chromium?

                Perhaps you are forgetting Ze great Konqueror ?

                Because it has always been KHTML.

                There’s a meme for that. Check it out

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                  I think Konquerer is no longer actively maintained.

                  Fun fact (which you may already know) the two most popular browser engines today are based on KHTML)

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          Yeah I think so.

          Their quest for a revenue stream is leading them down a dark path imo.

          I mean I get that they need money. I don’t really have a solution. I just feel very uneasy about where this is headed.

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      I’m never giving it up out of principle, but I dunno about the RAM usage. Firefox was above 7GB last I looked. I have RAM to spare though, so I don’t really care.

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        There’s a Tab Discarder extension that suspends old tabs so they’re stored on the drive rather than ram.

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      Damn… is this why I feel so empty inside? I’m using Firefox but no tail plug or furry action?

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    people don’t complain to get solutions, they complain so everyone knows how miserable they are

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    I was at a party a few weeks ago and when we needed to use a web browser, one of the first things that happened was one of the attendees taking the computer to install FireFox.

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      “I’m so used to getting fucked by Chrome and Edge that I just feel like something’s missing if I don’t.”

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      I actually got kicked out of school because I wouldn’t use internet explorer, but Firefox is still the best option. Always was. Even if you need a special chair.

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          Well, it was high school, and they didn’t like my tail plug. Kept calling it ‘inappropriate’. I kept laying out my arguments for why chrome and IE are trash, but they just could not tolerate open source, I guess.

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    Ngl, I’ve never had issues with either for ram. my experience with Firefox is mostly the sameas chrome with ram usage. The main reason Im on Firefox is cause it’s been a whole lot more stable for me than chrome.

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      It’s about the amount of tabs you keep open. Every site will take a piece of RAM and a max of 5Gb per tab if not mistaken.

      I think GChrome has a feature now where it tries to “kill” the tabs you’re not using to mitigate this issue but it’s opt in.

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      I switched from Chrome to Firefox on my Mac desktop and the memory usage was cut in half at least. I only use it on my Linux notebook, so I have no idea about the memory usage difference there, but there was an unquestionable difference on the Mac. It has 16 gb of ram and is from 7 years ago, so it was before the M-chips and their ram hunger and still gave me memory warnings.

      Now I never have memory issues on it. All it took was switching to Firefox.

      So it definitely makes a difference on some systems.

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      If the majority of ram isn’t being utilized you either have a problem or have entirely to much ram. I’m not saying programs can’t be memory hogs, but they should utilize what resources are there to perform better. It would be like turning on a flash light, using all of the power and then covering half the bulb while trying to cross a field in the dark. The CPU and GPU use more electricity when running at higher percentages, ram is negligible for the most part.

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        i always hear this but it’s obviously not true lol, if i ever see my ram reach max usage the computer shits itself and i’ll likely have to restart it because most things become utterly frozen

        full RAM utilization is patently not something you want.

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              Everyone uses multiple programs. Who said you’d only have one program open?

              Using 40% for one of your most important programs seems totally reasonable to me.

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                In my personal experience chrome rarely gives up ram and will starve programs that need it more. While that works if you’re only running chrome, if you’re using it in the background while doing something else then you can find important programs running out of memory. The result is that you have to close and reopen chrome.

                Granted, I haven’t used chrome or a chromium-based browser in a very long time, so chrome might have gotten better at giving up memory when other programs need it. However, if I’m playing a game, doing rendering, working in a game engine, etc, then usually I have a browser open in the background with YouTube or Twitch and/or programming/visual references. I don’t need or want a browser consuming as much memory as it can, just enough for it to play videos, show me reference images or tell me how to program something. It absolutely doesn’t need +8gb of ram to do that (I saw it hit 16gb once, which was when I switched to Firefox; 16gb is ridiculous no matter how many tabs you have open).

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    Firefox users may very well be doing that and no one will know because Google is not spying on them through their browser.

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      Kind of is. Part of Firefox revenue is from Google, who pays to have google as the default search engine