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    A fool and his money are soon parted. From the same class of vehicles that tried to lock heated seats behind a monthly subscription.

    You know what’s nice? Those cars can F right off. I won’t buy one new. And never will buy one used.

    Always will be “budget” cars (Corolla, Civic, Versa, etc.) that won’t screw around with this crap because the buyers can’t afford to screw around with it.

    TRY to paywall a heated seat in a Civic. I dare Honda. It won’t be more than 10 minutes before someone has it badly wired up like an aftermarket subwoofer.

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      Even Toyota is doing this now. They locked features like the digital tire pressure gauge behind a paywall on their app.

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        I can see the tire pressure of my truck though the app and I don’t pay for any Toyota subscriptions. The only thing I’m aware they lock behind a paywall in the app is remote start, but you can still do that from the key fob for free too.

        On the newer vehicles they do also lock the navigation behind a paywall but you can just use CarPlay or android auto for free.

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        Yup, remote start is only free for a limited time then you have to subscribe. They make great cars but they’re no angels.

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      Cars and trucks are one of the best examples of how effective things like marketing can be. It’s unreal what people are willing to pay for in order to have a vehicle that fits their self-image.

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      You might not have a choice if they all decide to do it. Companies are actually kinda good at that kind of collective actions sometimes.

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        When this becomes the norm. I look to the jailbreak community for hope.

        I WILL download a car!

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        In my area it would take a whole 5 seconds before people either jenk mod it or otherwise jailbreak it. Ive seen VW vans from the 50s with fucking V8 diesel engines around here, folks dont need the guts just the frame.

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      We said that when the Oblivion horse armor released. And look where we are now.

      At some point basically everyone will do it and marketing will fo the rest.

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        Oblivion doesn’t cost $50k+ to buy. If these greedy fuckers think they can RENT me parts of a car I already own, they can go fuck themselves.

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        not playing AAA games

        sadly though micro transactions have dominated

        here’s to hoping we have non bullshit car options in the future

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      Neither would I, but the majority of these cars are going into corporate fleets. I’ll have one at the end of the year. I assume corporate isn’t going to pay for the optionals so I’ll be stuck with a crippled car through no choice of my own.

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          IT in Flanders, Belgium. Company cars are almost a given for white collar jobs and even many blue collar ones here since regular income from work is taxed to high heavens. Companies look for other ways to compensate employees without actually having to raise their base salary. Just recently this shifted to electric-only, so most company fleets now are stopping leases on diesel & gas cars and replacing them with EV’s.

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            The Nixon Shock was the end of the Bretton Woods system (kinda sorta a gold standard) and the beginning of unlimited inflation we see today. Everything absolutely went to shit after Nixon, especially inequality.

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              Is gold actually worth something though? Most of it’s value is also just because it lasts a long time and we all think it is valuable. And I disagree that things have gotten worse only since Nixon

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                Sorry if I implied the world in general has only gotten worse since then. I was referring to the money supply and its consequences.

                Why do you say “most”?

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                  Gold has some value from use in corrosion resistant cables, contacts, or telescopes, but it’s mostly just an agreed upon store of value like any other currency

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      The venn diagram of “people who will root a car” and “people who own a $150,000 benz” is 2 circles on opposite sides of the solar system.

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        They won’t do it themselves, they’ll pay for it. People already do it with brand new ICE cars, they get a performance package from a third party.

        Also in 10 years, that $150000 Benz will be a $15000 Benz and owned by someone a fair bit younger than the original owner, probably. Much more likely to get the controller flashed for additional power at that point.

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        I heard of a guy who tuned his already 500 hp Benz to get it over 600 (now he is under arrest in my country for street racing).

        They also do this a lot with BMWs, e.g. the 318i and 320i engine is the same, so if you just change/hack some software setting on the 318i, you can get more hp out of the same car.

        But these are of course the minority of people, and mostly targeting sport cars, not luxury sedans.

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    Welcome to the world of digital subscriptions boys. It used to be a PC only thing… not any more.

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      Well… Plenty of cars are actually becoming a rideable PC where “ride” is just an option too. This is one of this things where I can’t decide, is it more sad, scary or stupid.

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        It’s moneeeyy. That’s all there is to it, money. They finally have an easy way to control what you can or can’t do with the things that (at least on paper) you own.

        I just knew this was gonna happen… I warned about these things ever since music/movie subscriptions became a thing. You don’t own a copy of what you (allegidly) bought, thus, it’s not yours.

        Now, you do own the thing… at least on paper, but you can’t do much with it unless you pay extra cash to the one who sold it to you, so it can… you know, do the things it’s supposed to do. It’s basically extortion, no matter how you slice it. It’s malware, period.

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        This is one of this things where I can’t decide, is it more sad, scary or stupid.

        It’s criminal. Locking up capabilities of hardware you already bought and trying to extract rents for them is literally no different than a mafia protection racket. These car company execs deserve to go go prison for racketeering.

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        We might be laughing about this now, but I bet someone already is working on something like this.

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      I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.

      Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.

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        At that point it’ll just be a company that doesn’t pay their people lol.

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        community driven

        I see what you did there.

        I’m getting a bicycle because I’m two tired of all these car puns.

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      I mean, there are car builder kits.

      The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the “e-bike.” It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.

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    We are getting closer to Mitch Hedberg’s vision of each car getting only 3 honks per month

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          Virgin car ownership

          On the contrary: letting manufacturers extract rents for capabilities that the owner already paid for by virtue of having bought the physical device is the opposite of “ownership,” and that’s the problem here!

          Using mass transit is great, but it does nothing to stop this attack on our property rights.

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        Which is all of them. All of them need to be connected, it’s how they operate now. Most of them have decency to not do shit like that, but that might change at any point

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          Time to pull up my big boy undies and start riding my bike. That sucker ain’t controlled by anyone but me. <middle finger to the car companies, wobbles down the road on a two-wheeler>

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          I doubt even all new cars require internet connection and there’s a shit ton of older models that don’t either. Definitely not “all of them”

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            I still own only cars from the '90s and 2000s because of this issue (along with stuff like telemetry spying on you, etc.). However, even if just driving old cars forever works for me, it’s hardly a solution for society in general simply because there aren’t enough old cars for everybody to have one, let alone all the other problems with it.

            These companies are trying to destroy our property rights in order to engage in unethical and abusive rentiership. The correct solution is legislative, not just to ignore them and hope they’ll stop!

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            Yeah, maybe not 100% of them, you are technically correct. For example, some Chinese companies are selling very cheep cars that are basically a reskin of the older cars from 1960th.

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      I gotta put a Faraday cage around my next car if it’s going to try to connect to the internet.

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    Considering “faster engine” means different tune on the exact same engine nowadays: not much has changed.
    Fuck morons who pay this so the corps will continue to do this. They wouldn’t even consider it if people with more money than sense didn’t pay for it. Everything is enshittified until we live in Idiocracy.

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      What percentage of people do you suppose actually think they’re getting more by paying rather than getting less until they pay? I’m sure a large amount of it is people with enough money to not care, but surely some are just uninformed?

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    IOTs are pushing us towards subscription hell-scape. We must demand dumb, non-connected machines and devices.

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      I’m a hobbyist mechanic and I absolutely love how simple older vehicles are. There’s one wire for each thing. The door doesn’t need it’s own computer module like modern vehicles…

      In my newest vehicle (a Ford truck), I pulled the fuse for the cellular modem, since I don’t need the manufacturer tracking my every move. Checking my tire pressure or fuel level from my phone is not a feature I care about. Remote start still works fine with the key fob.

      There’s getting to be fewer and fewer new vehicles I would even consider buying because of all this interconnected nonsense.

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    way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares… time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes… better for the environment anyway.

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      It is the right decision for some mass transportation, but you can’t make cars obsolete with public transportation. Especially outside major cities.

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      Have people completely forgotten about the fucking plague we just had? I’ll take my own box to drive around in, please.

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        Cycling, riding scooters, and walking outdoors are still fine, though. And requiring masks while riding transit was fairly effective. We need much stronger enforcement of masking and not riding with symptoms, though, in future pandemics.

        Your personal multi-ton box degrades the environment, globally and on the streets it drives through, even if pollutes less by using electricity.

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    We’re getting closer to “you wouldn’t download a car” being outdated, if more cars start pushing most of their functionality from behind a paywall.

    It’s not something I’m happy to see.