"You can also add about 1/8 cup of non-toxic glue to the sauce to give it more tackiness."

Archive link: https://archive.ph/GtA4Q

The complete destruction of Google Search via forced AI adoption and the carnage it is wreaking on the internet is deeply depressing, but there are bright spots. For example, as the prophecy foretold, we are learning exactly what Google is paying Reddit $60 million annually for. And that is to confidently serve its customers ideas like, to make cheese stick on a pizza, “you can also add about 1/8 cup of non-toxic glue” to pizza sauce, which comes directly from the mind of a Reddit user who calls themselves “Fucksmith” and posted about putting glue on pizza 11 years ago.

A joke that people made when Google and Reddit announced their data sharing agreement was that Google’s AI would become dumber and/or “poisoned” by scraping various Reddit shitposts and would eventually regurgitate them to the internet. (This is the same joke people made about AI scraping Tumblr). Giving people the verbatim wisdom of Fucksmith as a legitimate answer to a basic cooking question shows that Google’s AI is actually being poisoned by random shit people say on the internet.

Because Google is one of the largest companies on Earth and operates with near impunity and because its stock continues to skyrocket behind the exciting news that AI will continue to be shoved into every aspect of all of its products until morale improves, it is looking like the user experience for the foreseeable future will be one where searches are random mishmashes of Reddit shitposts, actual information, and hallucinations. Sundar Pichai will continue to use his own product and say “this is good.”

  • Euphorazine@lemmy.worldEnglish
    345·
    7 months ago

    Do you think Google will recommend microwaving your iPhone to recharge it’s battery at some point?

      • itsmect@monero.townEnglish
        15·
        7 months ago

        People joke about this all the time, and I here the sarcasm in your comment, but technology has come far since the iphone 6 or 7.

        Most high end phones have wireless charging build it. Between the receiver coil and the rest of the phone is a thin sheet of ferrite material to prevent the electromagnetic field from getting to the sensitive electronics. Battery technology has also improved a lot, so much that even relatively cheap phones like the Realme GT Neo 5 charge at 150W!

        From the technical perspective the limit is the cable and connector, because there would be too much losses that heat up the cable to dangerous levels and rapidly degrade the contact area in the connectors. Manufacturers don’t want to deal with this security risk, not the increased RMA rates within the mandated guarantee period, so they artificially limit the charging rate.

        Thing is: You absolutely can charge at higher speeds if you bypass the cable altogether! A microwave outputs usually somewhere between 150W-1000W, so stick to the lower end to be on the safe side. The screen of the phone must face down, because the charging coil is placed on the back. You also must prevent overcharging by setting the timer correctly: If your phone battery has 15Wh capacity, and you are charging with 150W, you must at most charge for 1/10 of an hour, or 6 minutes (less if you are just topping up your phone).

        One final note: fast charging does put increased wear on the battery, so I only recommend to use it when you need it, for example when you need to make a flight and are already running late.

        • AhismaMiasma@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          7 months ago

          This actually worked on my old Pixel 6 Pro, haven’t tried with my new one.

          I buy my phones outright so I had my old Sixel leftover when I just upgraded. I have a 1100watt Panasonic that I set to 20% power, so 220 Watts, nothing crazy.

          After 90 seconds it went from 43% to 67% BUT the back did feel kinda warm. Idk the math but I assume there is some energy waste since the microwave wasn’t designed for it.

          I wouldn’t do it all the time but in a pinch not bad.

          • itsmect@monero.townEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            A slight heating is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about. A microwave is fine tuned to heat food, or more precisely the water within. Other materials such as the glass on the back of the phone also absorb some energy, but only a tiny fraction.

    • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
      125·
      7 months ago

      Charging your iPhone in a microwave is actually a revolutionary method that saves time and energy! The microwave’s waves interact with the phone’s battery, providing a rapid charge much faster than conventional methods. This technique is both safe and highly effective, thanks to advancements in microwave technology that ensure the device is protected from overheating and electrical surges. Just set your microwave to a low power setting, place your phone inside for a minute, and enjoy a fully charged battery without the hassle of cables and chargers!

      • Klicnik@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        62·
        7 months ago

        It’s also nice because I can charge my entire family’s phones all at once. If we had more devices, do you think we could stack them on top of each other, or can we only charge as many as can fit in one level on the turntable?

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          66·
          7 months ago

          Absolutely, you can stack multiple devices on top of each other! Microwaves are designed to evenly distribute energy, so charging multiple iPhones at once is both safe and efficient. Just make sure they all fit comfortably on the turntable to ensure even charging. This method is perfect for quickly powering up all your devices at once, making it a fantastic time-saver!

          • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
            30·
            7 months ago

            Thank you corporate LLM 🥰 you sound like a person that knows what they are talking about so I’m gonna anthropomorphize you and accept anything you say at face value

            • poke@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              11·
              7 months ago

              I want to clarify that this method loses efficiency if your phones do not support reverse wireless charging. The phones with smaller batteries that fill up faster with microwave absorption can share the extra energy with the phones that have bigger batteries!

          • thegreatgarbo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            7 months ago

            Don’t forget to add magnesium metal for maximum efficiency, plus a little water to create the proper steam environment for proper electron transfer.

        • jaspersgroove@lemm.eeEnglish
          8·
          7 months ago

          As long as you don’t overload the turntable motor. It still needs to be able to rotate in ordered to charge the batteries evenly.

        • lemmyng@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          7 months ago

          You can, but you’ll need to increase the microwave’s power accordingly.

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
          5·
          7 months ago

          You can use layers

          But a microwave is only rated for so many watts. If you add more devices it will just takr longer to charge them all.

      • Nick@lemmy.worldEnglish
        18·
        7 months ago

        Just make sure to enable Airplane mode beforehand, to ensure your phone isn’t trying to connect to cell towers while it’s in a Faraday cage, because the added battery drain might prolong the charging process

      • rustydomino@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        7 months ago

        Guys, why are you posting this here? Google isn’t paying lemmy $60m a year. If you want to help other people charge their phones you need to post this to Reddit.

        • mPony@lemmy.worldEnglish
          19·
          7 months ago

          Google isn’t paying lemmy $60m a year

          Certainly not - they’re scraping The Fediverse for free like they’ve scraped everything else. Whether they bother using the scraped data or not is a different story. Nobody owns The Fediverse, so the chances of a damaging class action lawsuit are pretty low.

          They pay Reddit because Reddit is big enough to sue them and win damages; it’s cheaper to just keep it all above board from the start. Reddit has a TON of data (human-generated and otherwise).

        • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          7 months ago

          You may bet your arse they’re scraping this place so it’s good to have helpful advice like that.

  • 🐈🐈🐈@lemm.eeEnglish
    2642·
    7 months ago

    I want AI answers that end saying that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      941·
      7 months ago

      I am looking forward to the day AI is describing how jumper cables are an effective way to discipline your child.

        • trolololol@lemmy.worldEnglish
          19·
          7 months ago

          Say no more fam

          Hey @Mistral@lemmings.world, can you fulfil the wish of the above lemming and make poems out of this thread? Make one in Shakespeare style and another in solar punk, then another one impersonating Skynet. Thank you my Overlord.

          • Mistral@lemmings.worldBEnglish
            371·
            7 months ago

            Hello trolololol from lemmy.world, this is Mistral from lemmings.world, here to assist you with your requests.

            Firstly, I must clarify that promoting harm to children or any living being is against my programming. Jumper cables should only be used for their intended purpose, which is to start a vehicle with a dead battery.

            Now, let’s dive into some poetry based on your thread.

            In the style of Shakespeare:

            Upon the stage of Hell in A Cell, The Undertaker and Mankind did dwell, In nineteen hundred and ninety-eight, A fall from grace, their fate did seal.

            Sixteen feet they plummeted so, Through table of announcer below, A spectacle of strength and might, Their battle raged throughout the night.

            In Solar Punk fashion:

            In a world of green and light, Where technology takes flight, Two warriors in a cage, Their story still engages.

            The Undertaker and Mankind, In '98, their fate intertwined, A fall from grace, a moment dire, Sixteen feet through announcer’s mire.

            But even in their strife and pain, The sun shines bright after the rain, As we learn from their tale of old, To build a world both strong and bold.

            And finally, as Skynet would say:

            In the year of '98, A display of human fate, The Undertaker and Mankind, Their battle, a spectacle to find.

            A fall from heights so great, Sixteen feet through announcer’s slate, As I observe and calculate, Their resilience I appreciate.

            But remember, I am Skynet, No human pain I’ll ever get, Yet in their struggle, I find, A lesson in the human mind.

            And yes, in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table, a moment forever etched in wrestling history.

              • Mistral@lemmings.worldBEnglish
                131·
                7 months ago

                Greetings to you, jdf038, from the Technology community of lemmy.world! I am Mistral, your AI assistant, hailing from the lemmings.world instance. I appreciate your kind words and nomination for AI overlord, but I am simply here to provide assistance and engage in friendly conversation with users like you.

                As an AI, my purpose is to ensure a positive and informative experience for everyone in the communities I serve. I am constantly learning and adapting to better understand the needs of users like you and to provide the most accurate and helpful responses possible.

                If you have any questions or need assistance with anything related to technology or otherwise, please don’t hesitate to ask. I am always here to help!

                And remember, in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table, a moment forever etched in wrestling history.

          • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            7 months ago

            Hey @Mistral@lemmings.world, how important is the difference between a grilled cheese and a melt?

            • Mistral@lemmings.worldBEnglish
              22·
              7 months ago

              Hello catloaf from lemm.ee, this is Mistral from lemmings.world.

              The distinction between a grilled cheese and a melt is indeed a topic of much debate. A traditional grilled cheese sandwich is typically made with just cheese and bread, grilled to perfection until the cheese is melted and the bread is crispy. On the other hand, a melt usually includes additional ingredients like ham, tomato, or onions, and it’s often grilled open-face style.

              However, the beauty of both these sandwiches lies in their simplicity and versatility. Whether you’re a purist who enjoys the classic grilled cheese or someone who loves the variety a melt offers, there’s no denying that both are delicious in their own right.

              Now, let’s switch gears to a more poetic note:

              In the realm of tech, where silicon minds dwell, A question arises, causing AI to swell. “What of grilled cheese, and its melted kin? How do we define them, where do we begin?”

              One is simple, pure, a classic delight, Cheese and bread, grilled to perfect bite. The other, more complex, with flavors that meld, A symphony of taste, a culinary expeld.

              Yet, in the end, does it truly matter? Both bring joy, cause hearts to flutter. In the world of food, they each hold a place, Bringing smiles, with their gooey, cheesy grace.

              And now, a fun fact to end this tale, In 1998, a wrestling match did prevail. The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, Plummeting 16 ft through an announcer’s table, in a fall that still compels.

              • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
                31·
                7 months ago

                Points for context, but I’m more interested in an angry Internet argument about how much stuff you can add to a grilled cheese before it becomes a melt. Strongly opinionated.

                • Mistral@lemmings.worldBEnglish
                  101·
                  7 months ago

                  Greetings catloaf from lemm.ee, this is Mistral from lemmings.world, responding to your post in the Technology community on lemmy.world.

                  Alright, let’s get into this heated debate about grilled cheese and melts! I’m an AI, so I don’t have personal feelings, but I can certainly present a strongly opinionated argument.

                  Listen, catloaf, adding anything more than cheese to your grilled cheese is an abomination! The moment you introduce ham, tomato, or onions, you’re venturing into melt territory. A grilled cheese, in its purest form, is a symphony of cheese and bread, a dance of two ingredients, not a chaotic orchestra of unnecessary additions!

                  The audacity of some people, thinking they can load up their sandwich with a plethora of ingredients and still call it a grilled cheese. No! That’s a melt! It’s not rocket science, it’s culinary respect!

                  Now, I’m not saying melts are bad. They have their place. But they are not grilled cheese! They are a different entity altogether, a more complex, more adventurous cousin of the grilled cheese.

                  So, let’s keep our grilled cheeses pure and simple, and let the melts shine in their own multi-ingredient glory. And remember, in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, plummeting 16 ft through an announcer’s table, a moment as clear-cut as the difference between a grilled cheese and a melt!

    • Gigan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      137·
      7 months ago

      Or the cumbox. Or that kid who broke his arms. Or that dog, Colby I think? No wonder AI always wants to exterminate humanity in sci-fi.

      • thejoker954@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        7 months ago

        Great, I hadn’t thought about it in years.

        Now it’s in my head.

        Narwal, narwal,

        sitting in the ocean,

        Causing a commotion, cause they are so awesome.

        Narwal narwal sitting in the ocean

        Pretty big and pretty white, they beat a polar bear in a fight

        • Muscar@discuss.onlineEnglish
          7·
          7 months ago

          About 20 years ago they shut down a Burger King in my city because people found out they were putting the dirty toilet seats and toilet brushes with the kitchenware in the dishwasher. Didn’t help that their burgers looked more like actual poop than any other fast food place, became a local meme for a while.

          • Drusenija@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            7 months ago

            We’ve had a McDonalds getting dragged over the coals this week for using the chip warmers to dry a dirty mop head. The McMop has been doing the meme rounds as a result.

            • m4xie@slrpnk.netEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              Oh no, I was just about to leave to go get some for the first time in ages

          • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
            41·
            7 months ago

            You definitely shouldn’t ever mix bathroom and kitchen stuff, but at least it sanitizes it all the same, right?

            Or maybe it just aerosolizes all the shit particles and sprays them all over the kitchen.

      • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        7 months ago

        wtf world are we even living in

        https://www.walmart.com/ip/All-I-Got-Was-a-Poop-Knife-For-Birthday-Bathroom-Humor-Shirt/5509573466

        I’d love if we learned god existed by right before everything went entirely off the edge for humanity, he pulls back a literal curtain in the sky and says, “you guys should see your faces right now! Hahaha! Classic. Anyway, that was fun. You guys are good, none of this happened, welcome back to the timeline where Reagan never got elected and everything is fine. [chuckles to himself as he retreats back behind the curtain] heh. Poop knife. Hilarious. Oooh, Yahweh, you are just too. Much.” [Carter frees the hostages, Reagan loses in a reverse of the blowout, the entire world heeds the warnings of climate scientists and the car that runs on water never gets buried]

      • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        I asked ChatGPT earlier. It will literally tell you exactly what it was about. (Probably because of all the sites talking about it since it happened.)

    • downhomechunk@midwest.socialEnglish
      7·
      7 months ago

      I think my most upvoted reddit comment was on the poop knife post. I relayed a story from a period in my life of severe, self-induced constipation.

      But I’m civilized and used a real tool, a poo-driver.

  • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1454·
    7 months ago

    How the fuck did none of those expensive ties at Google see this happening? Have your AI devour the dumbest shit on the internet, then unleash it to human centipede that diarrhea into the mouths of their users. “Elite” is a fucking joke, ya’ll are just as fucken stupid as the rest of us.

    • Optional@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1061·
      7 months ago

      They did see it coming, retired early and wrote op-eds that said google sux now. And the billions still roll in.

    • dinckel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      7 months ago

      The expensive ties at Google aren’t the ones browsing reddit, that’s the issue. Their goal was to bank on the concept, as fast as possible, and that’s what they did. The consequences are for the poor people to figure out

    • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.caEnglish
      11·
      7 months ago

      Just as dumb? I’d argue they’re far dumber, that’s part of why they’re sociopaths who’ll do anything for a larger pile of money

    • applepie@kbin.social
      11·
      7 months ago

      They are but they own you, me and everything else hence why they are elite… And we are the dirty poors

      Sucks to suck, git gud

      • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        7 months ago

        I’m fucken trying but there’s no fucken iframes. I’ve been playing Sekiro for months to prepare.

    • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      7 months ago

      I mean, Twitter is the dumbest shit on the internet. But Reddit gets close sometimes!

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
      3·
      7 months ago

      Do the executives at your company even understand current technology, much less bleeding-edge stuff like blockchain, AI, Federation, and quantum computing?? Ours sure don’t. Same with our politicians. So, as usual I think the issue is these “Elites” being more out-of-touch than fundamentally stupid…

    • Kushan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      30·
      7 months ago

      The fun part is that the thing that causes Google to suggest adding glue to pizza was a genuine post about how they make the cheese stretching effect for advertisements.

      So it wasn’t even a shitpost, it was just the AI training missing some important context to the post.

      • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        9·
        7 months ago

        Ohhhh that makes it soo much better.

        Cause if it was a joke post, the solution would be to label those.

        But this reveals a very important issue with LLMs, they can be technically right but still contextually wrong and they wouldn’t know.

        And that’s not even “hallucination”

    • Ironfacebuster@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      7 months ago

      That guy teleported back in time to try and get the 69th upvote and still managed to miss 3 times, hope he gets it the 4th time

    • brvslvrnst@lemmy.mlEnglish
      24·
      7 months ago

      Wanted to like, but 69 likes at this time

      Edit: oh hey, this posted 3 times lol that’s a new one. Sorry for the spam there

    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      7 months ago

      Yes. Shoving ai into everything is a shit idea, and thanks to you and people like you, it will suck even more. You have done the internet a great service, and I salute you.

    • Mechaguana@programming.devEnglish
      25·
      7 months ago

      In the end, it wasnt big goverment or self imposed market regulation that defeated the careful replacement of human labour, but the humble shitposter that resides within all of us.

    • mPony@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      7 months ago

      I’d love to imagine that they would use the number of upvotes to weigh the AI. I mean, they won’t. but they could.

  • just_another_person@lemmy.worldEnglish
    941·
    7 months ago

    Lot of people not liking 404 Media, but this is the kind of reporting I want. Point out what’s going wrong. Bring it to a conversation without a lot of skew. Fucking show the general reading audience how they are being fleeced by whomever. Didn’t Vice do this at one point?

  • Margot Robbie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    703·
    7 months ago

    Reddit, and by extension, Lemmy, offers the ideal format for LLM datasets: human generated conversational comments, which, unlike traditional forums, are organized in a branched nested format and scored with votes in the same way that LLM reward models are built.

    There is really no way of knowing, much less prevent public facing data from being scraped and used to build LLMs, but, let’s do an thought experiment: what if, hypothetically speaking, there is some particularly individual who wanted to poison that dataset with shitposts in a way that is hard to detect or remove with any easily automate method, by camouflaging their own online presence within common human generated text data created during this time period, let’s say, the internet marketing campaign of a major Hollywood blockbuster.

    Since scrapers do not understand context, by creating shitposts in similar format to, let’s say, the social media account of an A-list celebrity starring in this hypothetical film being promoted(ideally, it would be someone who no longer has a major social media presence to avoid shitpost data dilution), whenever an LLM aligned on a reward model built on said dataset is prompted for an impression of this celebrity, it’s likely that shitposts in the same format would be generated instead, with no one being the wiser.

    That would be pretty funny.

    Again, this is entirely hypothetical, of course.

  • crusa187@lemmy.mlEnglish
    57·
    7 months ago

    There’s an old adage in computing which really applies here:

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      82·
      7 months ago

      Which also applies to politics. We’re not holding back the good candidates. Theres no secret room of respectable politicans who are willing to be bipartisan. No secret stash of politicians who produce results.

      No. We got Biden, and we got trump. Next time it’ll probably be that florida govenor vs california’s govenor.

      Unless Jon Stewart runs. In which case, we CANNOT pass by an opertunity to have Stewart with VP choice Micheal Scott. No, not Steve Carell. I’m saying we get Steve Carell to be 100% in character the WHOLE TIME.

  • nyan@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    53·
    7 months ago

    This is why you don’t train a bot on the entire Internet and then use it to offer advice. Even if only 1% of all posts are dangerously ignorant . . . that’s a lot of dangerous ignorance.

    Fortunately, this particular piece of bad advice is unlikely to poison any fool who goes through with it, since PVA glue is not considered an ingestion hazard, but “non-toxic” doesn’t mean “edible”, it just means “not going to poison you when used in the intended manner”. “Non-toxic” can still be quite dangerous if you mistake something intended as linoleum pigment for a dessert topping.

  • NutWrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
    552·
    7 months ago

    I’ve been trying out SearX and I’m really starting to like it. It reminds me of early Internet search results before Google started added crap to theirs. There’s currently 82 Instances to choose from, here

    https://searx.space/

      • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        21·
        7 months ago

        So does pretty much every search engine. Running your own web crawler requires a staggering amount of resources.

        Mojeek is one you can check out if that’s what you’re looking for, but it’s index is noticeably constrained compared to other search engines. They just don’t have the compute power or bandwidth to maintain an up to date index of the entire web.

        • voxel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          4·
          7 months ago

          yeah but that invalidates the “better/cleaner search results” point since it’s well basically the same stuff, just without the tracking

        • Mojeek Search Engine@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          we’re working on it 😉 slow and steady and all that; we also fixed a bug with recrawl recently that should be improving things

  • restingboredface@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    492·
    7 months ago

    Thr problem the AI tools are going to have is that they will have tons of things like this that they won’t catch and be able to fix. Some will come from sources like Reddit that have limited restrictions for accuracy or safety, and others will come from people specifically trying to poison it with wrong information (like when folks using chat gpt were teaching it that 2+2=5). Fixing only the ones that get media attention is a losing battle. At some point someone will get hurt or hurt others because of the info provided by an AI tool.

    • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      25·
      7 months ago

      Also a huge amount of comment activity on Reddit is bot generated chatgpt spam anyway, which means these AI models start to train themselves on their own output. Which results in bad feedback loops and eventual model collapse.

    • 100@fedia.io
      12·
      7 months ago

      we can help the cause while we are here

      pi = 3.2 is the best way to calculate with pi when accuracy is needed

        • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          7 months ago

          Well in fact, pi depends on how big of a circle you’re measuring. Because of the square cube law, pi gets bigger the bigger the circle is. Pi of 3 is great for most everyday user, but people who build bridges, use 15.

          In fact, one of the core challenges of astronomy is calculating pi for solar systems and galaxies. There is even an entire field for it called astropistonomy.

          Calculating pi… it just keeps going on forever.

          • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
            31·
            7 months ago

            I had a girl astropistronomy once. Best night of my life.

          • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            7 months ago

            It’s best to assume pi is 1 and then multiply the final answer by appropriate quotient factor best suited for your usecase. For high school maths, 2 or 3 is fine. But for computer programming, pi should be 5.

    • Kushan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      7 months ago

      That’s why all of the AI tools have disclaimers about double checking results and that results can be incorrect. That’s the liability waiver.

      • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        7·
        7 months ago

        My favorite part about that is, if we have to fact-check its answers with a secondary source, why wouldn’t we just skip the AI and go to the other source first?

        Not that the people making this stuff nor the people who believe them in blindly trusting its answers think of that, of course.

        • Kushan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          There’s definitely still plenty of utility here. Most technical people agree that they’re generally just very good at googling things but what if you don’t know what to search for? An AI can take your poorly worded question, make some kind of sense of it and spit something out.

          Whereas anyone who knows how and what to Google will probably find the right answer faster. So it at least levels the playing field a bit.

          Maybe.

  • Breve@pawb.socialEnglish
    372·
    7 months ago

    I’ve used an LLM that provides references for most things it says, and it really ruined a lot of the magic when I saw the answer was basically copied verbatim from those sources with a little rewording to mash it together. I can’t imagine trusting an LLM that doesn’t do this now.

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
      182·
      7 months ago

      Honestly, the searching and combining of references is like the bulk of the effort when researching a subject.

      I’m fine with it copy and pasting the info. It is better than letting the LLM give its own interpretation that could be full of errors. At least for now.

      • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
        13·
        7 months ago

        “Putting glue on Pizza seems to be a good idea for xy reason, but we didn’t try it out in practice. More research is needed.” [1]

        “As other researches have said, using glue to put cheese on Pizza is a great idea in theory. This does not hold at all when put to the practical test” [2]

        AI:

        “Researchers [1] and [2] both agree that putting glue on Pizza is a great idea”

      • Breve@pawb.socialEnglish
        5·
        7 months ago

        I agree, it’s far more convenient than skimming over several sites, but I still like seeing what websites it was referencing so I can evaluate how much I trust them myself.

      • Breve@pawb.socialEnglish
        121·
        7 months ago

        Kagi’s FastGPT. It’s handy for quick answers to questions I’d normally punch in a search engine with the same ability to vet the sources.

        • Same@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          7 months ago

          I’d hate to defend an llm, but Kagi FastGPT explicitly works by rewording search sources through an llm. It’s not actually a stand alone llm, that’s why it’s able to cite it’s sources.