Summary
According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.
The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.
The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”
Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
You see, this is how Palestinian, resistance groups, and all colonized countries feel when Europe and North America made sure to suck the living resources out of them, making them cheap labour if they decide to escape their land.
In this case, Trump is treating Ukraine the same way they treat south america and other small nations.
If this will happen expect Americans to die in terrorist attacks.
What I am most curious about is how long ago Trump and Putin first had a discussion about this arrangement, and what the quid pro quo details are. Because of course there is one.
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Have we forgotten that Trump has no power in Ukraine. All this means is that Europe has to provide a bit more funding.
Honestly, not even that much.
Keep fighting Russia without the US. Tell Trump to pound sand.
Not really feasible. The US has intelligence assets, spy satellites, AWACs, munitions spare parts, etc. that Europe can’t easily replace or doesn’t hold the rights to distribute to Ukraine without US consent.
There is a reason the US doesn’t have universal healthcare.
The US has enough money for both universal healthcare and our obscene military budget, we just choose to only have one.
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I guess my comment here would be that you may not have either of them soon. Trump has talked about cutting military spending in half. He is certainly not going to spend that on healthcare.
As funny as that joke is (and I have certainly laughed at it I the past), I do not believe the US is indispensable in the fight against Russia. Incredibly helpful yes. It will be a big loss. That said…
If the rest of us stay engaged, Ukraine will have what it needs.
I am much more concerned that the US will drop sanctions against Russia. Draining Russia’s bank accounts is critical.
Worse, as countries like Canada move their energy sales away from the US, I can see the US becoming a customer of Russian energy.
Also worried about Germany…
Oh man. He doesent care if he has power in a country or not, he just tried to free the Tate bros in Romania.
He just feels like the king of the world. We should not validate this feeling…
Ukraine is already struggling immensely with the US support. Imagine what will happen without US support.
The biggest problem is likely to be Trump ditching the sanctions on Russia. Or even becoming a customer of Russian energy.
Ditching the sanctions is likely considering they harmed the hegemony of the USD.
The US has not really done all that much. That said, as above, others would have to step up.
But the US has mostly been sending old stock and then replenishing their own. All the money they claim to be sending is being spent in the US.
And anything actually new has been very, very slow rolled. Canada made the mistake of piggy-backing purchases on US orders. Air defence systems Canada fully funded (money to the US) in early 2023 are only being delivered now.
That’s not quite accurate. The U.S. is the country that has provided the largest support to Ukraine. Congress has voted $175 billion for Ukraine. About half of that was sent to them and the other half was spent domestically to help them.
Or US supporting Russia.
If Ukraine says no, Trump’s going to double down on the “it’s Ukraine fault” narrative and start supporting Russia to promote “peace”
Knowing what’s really going-on, in this world, as unconscious-mind’s imprint->reaction mind tries to smash all considered-reasoning from having ANY say in the world, aka The Great Filter,
I’d not be surprised if Trump threatened to outright-nuke Ukraina for disobeying his agreement with Putin.
People are fools to think that sociopathy-psychopathy isn’t running the world, now, calling the real shots.
The fascist-nihilist network actually wants all others butchered, & they want to have fun during the roller-coaster-ride as they preside-over/enforce it, as the ruling “kings”.
NEVER mistake an opponent playing a negative-sum-game ( nihilist-sadists, e.g. ) for an opponent who is playing a zero-sum-game ( narcissists ), or an opponent who is playing a positive-sum-game ( win-win alliance ).
Fatal folly is worthless, as “strategy”.
It’s going to be hard finding an opponent playing a positive-sum-game
Until recently the US supplied a lot of weapons to Ukraine. That did give US official opinion a lot of weight.
Since Trump and his Republican followers have stopped all aid to Ukraine this influence has evaporated. Why would you care about the opinion of someone who has literally just left you to die?
Well, Europe needs to grow a pair and tell Trump to fuck off. We need to accept that he is leaving Nato, and European countries need to take it over or set up a new organisation. He can make any deal he likes with Russia; Europe and Ukraine can just tell him no and show him the true limits of his power. He cannot dictate to Europe and he is not our president.
Europe is not united enough. Lot’s of states deal with their own rise of fascism. It’s depressing.
As an American, it scares the hell out of me, but I agree with you.
They need to embargo us.
Make the US economy absolute dog shit so the GOP gets nuked in 2026. There’s enough GOP Senate seats in play to remove Trump from office in early 2027.
I actually agree with you. I think there needs to be a global summit right now. Every country but the US is invited.
We need to figure out how everybody can stop buying or selling to the US immediately. We need to reflow trade to make that happen.
Yes, it will be painful. But, in my view, it needs to happen.
In Canada, the public discourse has finally caught up with this. We’ll see how long Europe takes to get past the denial stage.
After JD Vance’s little trip to Europe, a lot of European countries are beginning to consider the US to be an adversary.
It very plainly is an adversary to any country that values freedom. Land of the oppressed and home of the cowardly.
I like to think that the majority of Americans also think of the Musk/Trump regime as an adversary.
It’s beginning, i hope it grow strong enough because it will take a few years of pain before we emerge stronger. I doubt the majority of Canadian have a strong enough resolve now. We can easily be divided.
I really hope Europe starts making some moves.
From the moment he won the election until now we’ve seen a lot of world leaders attempting to make nice with him and appease him. It should be clear now that he cannot be appeased nor will his ego ever be satisfied. He is going to take and take and take until other countries start telling him no and laying out boundaries that they’re willing to strictly enforce if need be.
In the US, there seems to be little understanding of the situation in Europe, which can create false hope. Europe is dealing with the same shit as the US, it’s just way behind. But it’s going the same direction.
Also, Europe is not enough of a united entity. There are still national states, it’s easy to stir up nationalistic moods. And in many European countries, pro-billionaire populists and far-right parties are getting to power.
I wouldn’t say there’s no hope at all, but let’s look at the real situation.
Did you leave it intentionally vague wether you were talking about P or T? I kind of find it nice how it fits both, how similar they are.
Nah that wasn’t my intention. It’s true that they’re similar, but I’ve mostly been watching American politics.
But all leaders have to be on the same page.
And then this needs to be agreed upon once again so that the current president of the european council makes a clear statement.
If they got the balls the transition period will take some time I suppose.
This is what is leveraged currently, imo.
But this isn’t mostlikely the entire world dynamic… Idk.
And this is the problem with “America first.” Those who are the most selfish inevitably find themselves alone and miserable.
Leaving Nato drastically increases the chances he attacks Canada and attacking Canada will cause a civil war. 100%
If Trump takes Canada, he better occupy it and not integrate it politically.
Adding 40 million people to the US population without representation seems unlikely. With representation, that many people with Canadian opinions will mean no more Republican House or President for generations. Are the 10 provinces getting senate seats? 2 each? Never another red senate if that happens. Electoral College votes?
Honestly, he is going to add the second largest country in the world as a single state? Good luck.
Will 51st state Canadians be able to move to other parts of the US? Because just the snowbirds already there would turn Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Nevada blue overnight.
the 51st state thing is tabloid level headline nonsense
there is no way it would happen peacefully. , it would only happen after a military invasion or a coup backed by the US. Abandon any idea of Canada becoming a state, it would be occupied territory without legal representation and likely very few if any rights. and it would remain that way for at least a generation or two before any small “new states” were carved out, and collaborators would be allowed to rule over small regions for the interest of keeping the peace. after a healthy amount of colonization of American loyalists, murder of Canadians and imprisonment of dissidents. but all in all. make no mistake, it would be a shooting war, and it would certainly cause civil war in america too, as this is a red line.
you need only look to Eastern Ukraine to see how this sort of thing plays out.
Armed coercion, military invasion, fake referendums, importing migrants to replace the dead and evicted with "colonists’. suppression , imprisonment and murder of locals who dont swear fealty. etc.
So many assasinations in world history, they really arent that rare of a thing.
I am so fucking embarrassed to be an American. Fuck this country and its “leaders”
Personally I’m disgusted to be in the same country as the people who approve of this. Makes me fucking sick.
Hopefully, we’ll open Canada’s doors to Americans like you soon. Sending you digital hugs my friend.
I really appreciate you saying this (although I’m not OP). I’m scared for my family, my kid is in the LGBTQ community, and we live in fucking Florida, the smelly dick of the US. We are getting our passports setup just in case.
I work in maintenance/construction, and I’m surrounded by MAGA screaming idiots. These people can’t be argued with. All these people care about is hurting others. It’s astounding what this country has become. A shell of its former self. The US has already failed, and none of them can see it.
Trans refugees have been mentioned as the first priority, if that’s what’s going on.
I work in maintenance/construction
Dope, you’ll find work easily. Our housing supply is jacked. I know one guy that got pulled out of retirement to be a foreman three days a week, and he says they’re paying him like he’s full-time and then some. You might even have a shot at economic migration now, although that system is a nightmare.
Like the other person mentioned, for that reason, if there’s a ton of Americans coming up all at once it’s recommend bringing your own accommodations. Even if it’s not a winter-safe RV, people can and do build a little insulated enclosure to protect the plumbing and manage heating costs.
Also in Florida. Love the state, hate the people.
With the number of Canadians leaving Florida, I don’t expect you will be needing much home construction soon.
And that concerns me for Canadians. If things continue on a downward trend, Americans with serious money (note: I do not have “serious” money) will head to Canada, further exacerbating the housing shortage.
We’ve got a housing shortage, so if we open the door to American refugees we’re going to need a lot of construction workers.
I say “You can come, but it could be a natural death sentence; Temperatures in cities
westeast of the rockies get very, VERY cold and you will need to survive by living in a tent because we are out of residences.”Unless you can build a house in the next 6 months, own a motorhome, or are on the west coast, you’re better off seeking asylum anywhere else that will take you first. I hear Japan or - if you have to - China have a few unoccupied buildings whose property values are affected by their plummeting birth rates. Look into those first, then any nations you have second citizenship in, then take your chances surviving our brutal winters (if you live in Michigan or North Dakota, you already know what kind of temperatures I’m talking about), and good luck.
Grabbing a motorhome or trailer is highly recommended, if you have any equity at all to play with. Even if you can’t find an all-season one, there’s campgrounds that will let you build an insulated enclosure around it.
I think you meant east.
I indeed do. Sorry about that!
Fellow Floridian keeping eyes on an out, but neither my wife nor I are quite “skilled” enough to go be able to get jobs elsewhere. She may be able to but she works in the arts so it likely wouldn’t pay much. I could work anywhere being in IT but I’m not specialized enough to get anything they wouldn’t just hire locally for.
Hang in there. Ive always said Florida is the best state if it wasn’t for the Floridians.
Hang in there and keep an eye on the west coast. If California votes in favor of secession, sell your house or get a loan for it as collateral, buy a motorhome with the money and go to northern California (preferrably somewhere near San Francisco). It’s super expensive (or at least it is at the time of writing, this being the place Silicon Valley is located) but, provided that California has already confirmed secession, you’ll be as far as you can get from “his” influence without leaving the Continental US.
Other options if you have no other citizenship are Hawaii, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Alaska and the Seattle area. If you can cross a border, head for Kelowna in British Columbia. I do not recommend trying to get through Texas to Mexico, there are a lot of culturally-engrained prejudices that you’re certainly familiar with that will have them questioning why a family would flee Florida “unless they’re trying to escape” and pre-emptively detain anyone traveling in a motorhome with their entire family. If possible, drive as far north as you can before turning west.
Use OsmAnd (an android GPS app that uses OpenStreetMap instead of Google Maps) on a cheap phone for your navigation, toss it and your normal phone if you have a close call. If you have ANY access to leave the country for one of similar safety for ANY reason, research their current state using wikipedia. Buy your tickets for an airline now and then prepare legal resources to apply for refugee status in the country you end up in (might take several long-distance calls). Worst-case scenario, you take your chances of being deported by creating a change.org petition and hope that the recipient country understands you’re not leaving the wealthiest country on earth if shit hasn’t hit the fan (they probably will be willing to listen). All of this is legal but will also keep you out of trouble if legality is not a barrier to those currently trying to take complete power in the US. Please note, I’m not an American or a lawyer, I just have a surprising amount of life experience. Good luck.
I appreciate you taking the time! This is some great information and has helped me explore some other options. Im not holding out for any kind of secession though. My countrymen, even the same ones in California, are too lethargic for that. I hope I’m wrong and we will find something to finally unite behind, but for now the discontent is scattered and general which makes individual action harder and less effective.
As an American I’m not embarrassed. The whole world should have seen this coming. This country elected Trump in
2020EDIT: My mistake, Trump was elected in 2016. Americans showed you what type of time they’re on. When he lost re-election Americans tried to force his presidency. The Democrats were too weak while they had power, always trying to take the high road. If any country is still dumb enough to rely on the US for anything then they get what they get.EDIT 2: spell check
Trump did not get elected in 2020…he was elected 2016. Biden was elected 2020.
Have to correct because the craziest think he did win 2020.
Oh yeah, you are correct. I’ll fix it.
And by “high road” you mean the one paved by donor money, not the morally high road.
Yes thats the one. I wasn’t clear but you are right.
The Democrats were too weak while they had power
Don’t you think this attitude is the reason why you’re in this mess? Wanting a strong ruler rather than having politicians that follow the law and try to provide good government. If the Democrats were “strong” then you’d have a Democrat strongman and you’d still be in the same mess.
The Dems are weak. And it’s not because they follow the law because they don’t, just look at that NY City mayor. They follow the money, look at Pelosi. They aren’t a party for the common person but the loudest who might net them the most money. Mostly, they’re just like Republicans in the way they cling to power until their death. How many of them have died in power due to old age instead of stepping aside to let the young legislate the world they’re inheriting? They try to follow agreed upon rules, not laws, knowing the other party won’t follow those rules.
As an example, Obama had the opportunity to appoint 2 judges to the Supreme Court. Instead of appointing a judge after Scalia died he let the next president decide arrogantly thinking it would be Clinton. He also believe senator Graham when he stated that presidents shouldn’t appoint judges during election year. Everyone with a brain knew that was bullshit! You have the power to appoint judges so do it! The second SC judge he could have appointed would replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg but that also didn’t happen because she, a dem, couldn’t let go of power and retire. Instead she dies in office during Trump’s first term. That’s the term where he appoints a SC judge during an election year and Graham forgets what he said 4 years earlier.
Now where would we be now if Obama appointed 2 more judges before his term ended? Imagine what the Supreme Court would look like if Obama called Graham’s BS and RBG gave up power and retired like the old lady she was? It’s shit like this that convinces me that the Democratic Party is weak.
In a democracy you should strive for having strong people and weak politicians that do as the people want.
If you’re striving for having strongmen so you don’t have to do anything yourself, then you are being weak. And that’s why the US has gotten to be what it’s become: weak and lazy people looking for someone else to solve all of your problems. This is why Trump’s message of “vote fore me and you won’t need to vote ever again” resonates. You want someone to rule over you and figure out everything for you. This made the US ripe for a fascist takeover.
Even now you’re whining about someone else not solving your problems for you. Didn’t vote? That’s the democrats fault. To cowardly to discuss politics with your family? That’s the democrats fault.
In the end, you’re aligned with the fascists in your hatred of the opposition. It’s easier for you to sit back and complain about the opposition than to grow a spine and support the opposition regardless of what your family, peer group, or anyone else will think about for doing so.
Dude stop trying to put words in my mouth. I didn’t say any of that. I already explained why I thought the democrats were weak and it wasn’t for anything you just said. They are weak because they were trying to play by rules the other team clearly didn’t play by, they’re weak because they arrogantly thought they could keep power beyond their limit, they are weak because they stand for trends instead of standing with the people who vote for them and listening to their real problems. I can’t tell you how many times the democrats would come to my community begging for votes and making promises only to walk back on those promises and never come back until the next election promising to do it then.
I never said anything about anyone ruling over me or making decisions for me. I’ve never whined about anyone else not solving my problems. Where did you even get that? I never even mentioned discussing politics with family, which I do, so why did you just make up more shit to throw against me.
And finally you claim I’m aligned with fascist using the evidence you literally just made up. You are part of the problem. You don’t want to accept any criticism on the democrats but instead make up lies about what you claim I said or what you interpret. You don’t listen but you’ll use lies to discredit and silence me because I don’t agree with you.
Everything in that post you claimed I said or that I represent is not true. Stop making shit up.
Got to admit, other guy had me till you said this. Props, man, you have an honestly better point.
Problem is, this isn’t about strong or weak. This is about numbers. Too many people in the US are literally just hiding that they’re racist by being among like-minded bigots and not traveling, and then agreeing when wealthy assholes tell them their kids don’t need good education.
Fact is, this proved something. Something scary. Those who remember history cannot stop it from repeating if evil also remembers history, which is impossible to prevent entirely.
In other words, we have no guarantees. We never did. We’re fucking doomed, we always were. We are all going to die and there was never a goddamn thing anyone could do about it.
Apathy is the big reason for this. About 1/3 of the eligible voters didn’t bother to vote. And Trump gained support among black and hispanic voters. Ignorance and apathy were the big drivers of this. And ignorance stems from people too apathetic to learn anything.
And no, democracy is never guaranteed. Some pretty words written by slave owners over a hundred years ago was never going to guarantee democracy. It’s just paper. What makes democracy survive is people making an effort to keep it going generation after generation. American exceptionalism created a false belief that the US couldn’t be anything other than a democracy. But despite all the chest thumping about freedom and democracy from Americans, it turns out not enough people were willing to make an effort to learn who they were voting for or in many cases even to bother voting at all. That was all that was needed, but it was too much for Americans to bother doing.
There are things Americans can be doing right now, but this Canadian thinks the USA has become a nation that’s centered greed and apathy rather than a country of freedom and democracy. I’d be happy if Americans could prove me wrong by fighting back in any way they could, but it looks to me the US lacks the will to save itself.
You don’t understand. You know why 1997-2001 was a period of optimism? We thought we were finally SAFE, geopolitically-speaking.
Now - in the aftermath of 9//1, 2008 and two Trump administrations, we are convinced we will NEVER be geopolitically safe.
People do not have children if they do not have a sense (even an illusion) of geopolitical safety. When people literally have geopolitical PTSD from all this, and cannot trust ANY government, ANY corporation, ANY religion, ANY ideology, when NOTHING is viewed as a way to de-stress yourself…
We have a serious problem. Expect birth rates to start plummeting ~9 months from now, because the new quote is “history repeats, even if you remember it”.
If you have 1/3 of eligible voters not voting and loyal voters switching up on you then whose fault is that? You are blaming those voters who didn’t vote for who you wanted then to vote for. Why haven’t you looked at the party and ask why their message didn’t resonate or why they didn’t convince those people to vote for the Dems? The Democrats failed. They will continue to fail unless they figure out why they aren’t connecting to voters, what voters actually want, and how to change into something good for the people, the country, and can get votes.
Unfortunately, they are not 100% the problem. Certain groups of loyal citizens put them there.
So while I agree, fuck every politician in office, let’s not forget to give credit where credit is due to the “american” people.
And don’t tell me those same people are just brainwashed. No, those same people would have put a fascist in power regardless of how educated they are. Evangelicals are just clueless and even the smart ones suck cheeto dick.
Agreed. America honestly deserves this shit. I hope they take social security away from all these old mostly boomer republicans that voted for this shit and they suffer miserably. It’s what they wanted and they still will tell you with a straight face this is what they want. I was never gonna get it anyways.
Sincerely, thank you for specifying the State religion of evangelical “Supply Side Jesus” as its own evil cult, and not alienating the rest of us who stand with you. I always appreciate that nuance in this kind of discourse.
There’s a lot of Christians here, myself included, horrified by every second of this, watching people calling themselves “christians” give themselves over willingly to corruption and sheer evil and unfiltered hatred at an alarming rate.
Of course we’re silenced on many fronts: Most of the money for churches comes from powerful americultist organizations and donors, who are obviously in the angry orange baby Hitler’s pocket, and they’re seeding such hateful polarization that even leftists are turning on us and discounting us outright.
We’re not as loud, well-funded, or numerous as the cult of hatred and warmongering and greed. But we know that the Jesus of the Gospel who commanded us to “Love thy neighbor as thyself” is not the Jesus of the State, and to throw one’s lot in with these politicians is to deliberately side with the legions of Hell.
I am heartbroken and ashamed at how many people I once thought good and decent, who have fallen for this lie and follow such a disgraceful monster.
The percent of US Christians and veterans who picked Cheeto exceed 60% both groups should properly classed as nazis and traitors.
Yes, but don’t go full nazi yourself. Otherwise you’re just responding to one holocaust with demands for another.
Christianity isn’t what’s pure evil, it’s extremism that is evil. That can come from any ideology, just add “kill your neighbour for making things less the way you want them to be”.
I grew up Christian, and denounced it all at age 15 for atheism. Later, I ended up becoming very spiritual (but not religious, more like Taoist/Buddhist). That’s when I started to realize there are nuances like this.
Admittedly, I almost did write down Christian, but I changed it 'cause of exactly what you say. It isn’t fair to the actual Christ-like that exist out there, and it’s not only Christian denominations behaving this way.
It sucks that religion in general is being used by the vile controllers to manipulate, and I wish there were more folks like you that actually questioned things and lifted the veil for themselves. Seems to me that, at least southern baptists, are practically trained to never question authority and always take information at face value if the person giving that information simply claims they are Christian. Same people believe that you should keep sex and drug information from your children, instead of preparing them for the good and bad of each they may encounter in the world.
I am heartbroken and ashamed at how many people I once thought good and decent, who have fallen for this lie and follow such a disgraceful monster.
Yea… it especially sucks when its your parents. We used to do fun things together, now I have to hide everything about who I am.
Don’t be embarrassed for the actions of poloticians. We only have the illusion of choice in the US. You can be embarrassed for the human race if you like. Cause “leaders” like this exist in the first place.
This is definitely our punishment for elevating sociopathy to celebrity, rather than chasing it out into the dark woods with pointy sticks.
We absolutely had a choice
No. Not really. People were taught history. We have hindsight. Look around, nobody is saying Trump is anything less than a new Hitler. Nobody is saying Trump was elected fairly.
I’m going one step further. Trump did not win 2024. In Georgia, there is an old Jim Crow-era law that still exists. You can - if you live in Georgia right now - legally declare EVERYONE ELSE in your county inelligable to vote just by stating you view them as not fit to vote.
This was already used on 32,000 black people a pop by several people in Georgia in 2024, turning the tide of the election.
You didn’t choose Trump. Nobody except the people who have taken away a fundamental right of thousands of people chose him. They chose to destroy democracy to get what they want.
Evil is evil. It does not play by “No, I didn’t get elected, curses! I’ll get you next time, Gadg8eer!”. It plays by stealing what it cannot win fair and square.
Don’t side with evil, just recognize that this was not a bunch of zealots and bigots who did this. Trump literally found a fucking cheat code for election built into the system by people who are now either dead, senile or the last of their peers. The cheat code needs to be deactivated, and playing by the rules will get us nowhere.
Don’t be embarrassed for the actions of poloticians. We only have the illusion of choice in the US. You can be embarrassed for the human race if you like. Cause “leaders” like this exist in the first place.
Our people did this. I see the ignorance and stupidity on a daily basis. People are cheering this shit on. It’s disgraceful.
Living inside the same imaginary lines on a map doesn’t make them our people. The Russian government has more influence over such people than you or I.
Politicians gain their power from The People. It is alarming as an American that nearly half the country actually wants this to happen because “the other side is getting hurt” without recognizing that they too will suffer alongside the people they are told to dislike.
What was that infamous quote from POTUS LBJ again? “Convince the poorest white that he’s better than the richest black so you can pick his pockets clean [paraphrasing]”
More accurate:
The “leaders” of the human race have a long history of shaping "the people"s lives so that they suseptible to being convinced by poloticians. It’s like fighting against the addictive powers of social media. They hire the best to make it addictive. Many people just can’t mentally compete. That said, voter turnout was 64%, so only 32% ish voted for this. And a large part were probably dupped by the messaging.
No, it’s worse. I urge you to look up the Georgia law (the Jim Crow kind) that may have been used to literally TAKE tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes away by declaring - just like that - that everyone you disagree with or who looks different than you (in your county and assuming you live there, it only applies to Georgia currently) is not fit to vote.
I’m serious. They fucking planned this.
Why would I want to make myself sadder. Lol. It’s kind of like deflatgate in American football. If you take top people in any profession, and put them in a competition with a serious reward, they will always try to “stretch” the rules in thier favor any way they can.
Don’t be embarrassed for the actions of poloticians. We only have the illusion of choice in the US. You can be embarrassed for the human race if you like. Cause “leaders” like this exist in the first place.
Who had Trump and Putie collude to Own Ukraine on their Fascist Dictator Bingo cards?
That’s the free space
I had “Ukraine is fucked” as the first thing on my list of outcomes if Trump won the election. Does that count? 😔
One is the result of the other, soooo… yes. We can count that.
Credit to Putin, it’s a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.
Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.
What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.
The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.
If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.
The time to stand-up to Trump is now.
Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.
Imagine telling Americans during the second red scare, about the political climate of today. History is weird.
Do it. Fuck US.
No, don’t Fuck the US. I dont want to pay for Trump and kins sins.
Just fuck Trump, Musk, and the republican party and its support/propaganda network.
I will gladly endorse having foreign forces enter america to arrest these traitors to humanity, to take them to the hague for trial and execution.
As an American, we are all going to suffer and the earlier the better. Time and time again we see that the only way Trump supporters change is if they are personally affected. Thus we all need to pay in order to see change.
Too many people think that everyone in the US deserves to suffer just because 23% of us voted for the Orange Shitstain, and that’s if you believe nobody “found” him some extra votes.
Do you know how many Germans voted for Hitler’s party in 1933? It was 26.4%.
Too many Americans think the rest of the world can afford to think of Individual Americans right now.
The USA is attacking other countries. What individual US citizens think about that is irrelevant unless they can stop him. If they cannot, the rest of us need to treat the US as a single entity and defend against it accordingly.
It’s because 51% of you didn’t vote against him.
More than that, the numbers I keep seeing thrown around are that Harris got 75m votes, Trump got 77m, and 90m didn’t bother voting.
The reality is that the EU states are falling out.
So basically 1939 again, with Ukraine playing Poland, and you all know who the US are playing.
Playing the role of Nazi America.
USSR betrayed Poland, and conquered them in a nutshell
The entire world betrayed Poland. The Allied powers didn’t do anything for months. Hell the British and French actually put more effort into helping Finland against the USSR than help Poland against the Third Reich.
It would be a grand historical irony if the country that ultimately ensures Ukraine’s freedom from Russia ends up being Germany.
“We are here to liberate you from the Russians…and this time, we really mean it!”
I mean, you could argue they’re more like Fascist Italy. The parallel with Germany is mainly that they’re already a great power.
The parallel is the country that Europe either appeases or opposes.
I hope they get it right this time.
Pretty sure this is just part of the “give them a terrible deal they wouldn’t agree to” strat that means Trump can say “we gave them a very good deal and they refused, Russia can do what they want”.
It’s all bullshit and always has been.
I can already see this being parroted back to me by my relatives who watch Hungarian TV stations
It doesn’t matter if the USA promises liberation from Russia, protection for eternity and the cure for cancer… the word of the USA means less than nothing now…
Ukraine has the same chance of benefiting if they just help that poor Nigerian Prince and use the resulting reward to buy weapons
the word of the USA means less than nothing
now…
Unbelievable. Every day, I’m amazed that a man I don’t even freaking know can piss me off this much on pretty much a daily basis. The man just literally has no shame, none, zero.
I honestly despise the fact that this man (as well as Musk) has made me into a bitter person who hates. I don’t want to hate anyone. I can feel it destroying my soul (or whatever you want to fucking call it).
It’s bitter, but let’s make lemonade. Embrace it as the fuel to drive whatever actions seem necessary and possible to you.
Take care of that light which lets you see how hate is no good, although, maybe you can yield it as a shield to brace the storm head on.
We could get philosophical about who that ‘you’ or ‘your soul’ is, which feels like being destroyed, and wether it really is. On one hand, this entity will still remain. Though not unchanged. But isn’t that a good thing? I prefer being capable of feeling pain, as it sometimes just plainly is a totally appropriate reaction or sensation. I know that feeling of breaking, but on the other hand, if I could not feel that anymore, I surely was already broken. Dull and unmoved. So in a paradoxical sense, it is an affirmation that you are fine, a fine person.
Yep. The other option is to be ignorant of all the fucked up shit they do which isn’t any better 😒
The other option is to channel that hate into action. Even it’s just helping others get angry too. Once the right people (or the right amount of people) get angry enough, this can all be stopped.
The other option is to channel that hate into action.
This. The Dalai Lama is very quotable on this subject. One of my favourites is:
To be angry on behalf of those who are treated unjustly means that we have compassionate anger. This type of anger leads to right action, and leads to social change.
To be angry toward the people in power does not create change. It creates more anger, more resentment, more fighting.
There’s more here:
https://www.alwayswellwithin.com/blog/dalai-lama-quotes-compassionate-anger
I know exactly what you mean!
The Ukrainians started fighting before any guarantees and support started coming in from the west. They are fighting for their own self determination. Trump thinking he can just impose this is just not understanding that the Ukrainians can simply say no. And when they do, his all powerful persona will be exposed even more for the scam that it is.
Russian battleship and American president: fuck off!
