“But they’re celebrating.”
Yeah, if a foreign nation did a military operation and abducted Trump to face a trial for his crimes Americans would be in the streets celebrating.
But the celebration is going to be short when they realize their futures are now dictated by a felon rapist pedophile who’s crashing his own nation’s economy and violating his own citizen’s rights.
Trump is still a pedophile. Don’t forget that. This is not a distraction from the Epstein files.
RIP International law.
*International Suggestions
Yes, exactly, and if the USA can do what they please why should other countries comply with it? It creates a dangerous precedent and an example for other authoritarian regimes. And I am afraid that Venezuela is just the beginning.
Venezuela is not the beginning. America has always been a terrorist state. You just have the memory of a goldfish.
Calvinball-based international order
Everybody with nukes does as the please. US, Russia, China, North Korea, Israel…
Everyone who abuses their power suffers economic repercussions at a minimum, militaristic repurcussions via the funding and arming of their opponents in some cases, but the precedent here being set is China asking “if the world won’t defend you, why should you defend the world?” It’s a dangerous warmongering idea that unfortunately might be taking root.
The US hasn’t really suffered any serious consequences, yet. Similar to China. Russia didn’t until Ukraine, before that they messed in Chechnya, Georgia, etc with impunity. I don’t see anyone coming to the aid of Tibet or the uyghurs either, China is pretty scot free.
Technically, Russia saw a lot of pushback over Crimea which directly predated the rest of Ukraine.
Very very minor. Some strongly worded letters and symbolic sanctions. They could have kept crimea and most of the donbas and in a decade things would have gone back to normal.
and Ukraine only because it borders Europe
Some would argue 'is in Europe "even.
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?
Wasn’t it RIP with Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or Vietnam?
Barbary Wars - 1801
So the thing about Iraq is that:
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Bush enacted the NATO articles after 9-11 but couldn’t prove which country was responsible so while the troops were rallied there was no actual NATO response just voluntary support.
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Bush, Cheney, and the CIA managed to grub up a bunch of images of Aluminium Tubes that the CIA swore up and down were used in the production of nuclear weapons, and this case was presented to Congress to gain support for the war.
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The same arguments were presented to the UN prior to the invasion.
Comparing Trump’s weekend getaway trip to that is disingenuous to its core, congress and largely the American people had absolutely no part to play in his insanity, and normalizing it or pretending there won’t or shouldn’t be repercussions for that helps nobody except for Donald Trump.
This is a childish and wrong way of understanding politics. “Orange man bad”, although a true statement, doesn’t explain USA geopolitics, which are largely bipartisan.
You say congress played no part, yet most of congress (even most democrats) don’t condemned the actions themselves, only the lack of protocol followed. Half of EU politicians are celebrating too.
I myself don’t condemn the action itself, Maduro had it coming and so do all the other anti-democratic despots of the world. I place the greater good of all future people above my own comfort.
But Trump should be punished just as any other president should, this is not their power to do.
The entire purpose of economic sanctions on Venezuela is to prevent free elections, because free elections gave rise to the Bolivarian revolution. This is not me making it up, this is literally the US policy as said by themselves with economic sanctioning:
- The majority of Cubans support Castro (the lowest estimate I have seen is 50 percent).
2.There is no effective political opposition.
3.Fidel Castro and other members of the Cuban Government espouse or condone communist influence.
4.Communist influence is pervading the Government and the body politic at an amazingly fast rate.
5.Militant opposition to Castro from without Cuba would only serve his and the communist cause.
6.The only foreseeable means of alienating internal support is through disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship.
If the above are accepted or cannot be successfully countered, it follows that every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.
By arguing about elections without taking sanctions into account, you’re just being a CIA stooge
I can’t tell if you’re being facetious of if you actually think Venezuela is Cuba? After Cuba aligned with the USSR at the height of the cold war and became a single party dictatorship, economic suppression seems like a tame response. You realize they almost set off WWIII?
I feel like support for Castro would plummet harshly if any opposition were allowed on it’s soil, but it was not.
The document: Cubans are overwhelmingly in support of communism, so we need to starve them
The most “democratic” westerner: OF COURSE WE STARVED THEM, THEY DIDN’T HAVE TWO PARTIES
Just so you know: US + EU economic sanctions have murdered 38 million people in the past 50 years, and continue to murder half a million yearly. “Tame suppression”
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Hawaii - 1950
Still occupied to this day
They never existed because we never had a real international police to enforce them. They kinda felt real because the US kinda acted like this police.
Team America: World Police was a documentary.
This is being very common with everything related to US. Ecuador invaded Mexican embassy and now this.
This headline needs to change.
US military murders 80 people an illegal raid on foreign soil.
Fuck America, let them suffer, make them burn, especially the current administration.
It’s not just the Republicans tho. Obama bombed 8 countries in a year in 2016.
Do not absolve the past administrations, do not absolve the future administrations, canada, europe, russia or china. Fuck the global north.
All European leaders have done since the abduction of Maduro and massacre of 80 people in Venezuela “monitoring” the situation. Europe is complicit. So you’re not wrong. Not sure why people are down voting.
We can’t even get a handle on our current administration who the leader is a known pedophile, murderer, rapist, grifter, and all around POS.
Trump kidnapped a foreign leader. Let that sink in.
who is America? certainly you don’t mean its people
edit: suck my extreme balls
Yes. The 77.3 million who chose Trump, as well as those who were too lazy to bother voting.
Collectively they can get fucking rekt.
So, what about the 75 million other Americans who voted for Harris?
Now is maybe not the time to throw “not all men” around.
Now is the time to actively resist and prove to the rest of the world yourself an ally in a global fight against fascism taking command of the largest military on the planet.
Now is the time to actively resist and prove
I’m too busy enjoying the catharsis of watching them cry about suffering the consequences. It’s crab mentality for sure, but they deserve this suffering.
As long as they do nothing to unite and just hope someone else does something for them, I’m not sure what use you think they are to me?
Well see, they’re going to vote blue again this year and again in 3 years. Because that’s worked so fucking well the last 8 times
it did work well. Joe Biden was the last president and he was a damn good one.
doubt
No, the fridges and washers. Some toasters, too.
How many times I heard that it’s ok to murder Palestinians because I’m 2006 they voted for the party that got rid of Israeli settlements.
meanwhile the American people are not responsible for the guy they voted a second time last year?
every conservative voter is directly complicit with those murders, and ideally they should face justice, and every liberal is also complicit because the Dems are useless and also do this bullshit.
Only reply I’ll accept is that the US is not a democracy, barely even a pretend one. it’s a theater for the rich to do as they please. but I’ll still blame the Americans for not providing enough pushback.
almost every other nation would have revolted. Americans are exceptionally meek bootlickers.
Are you asking that in good faith? The Maga trash for certain, though. And people who don’t take direct action, or any action.
Fuck the USA.
The US acts of war? Why does the news do this. We all know this isn’t an “operation”.
Same reason Russia invading Ukraine was.
“Stop me.”
the same NYT that dint bother reporting the attack, because they recieved the info days before it from the trump administration. NYT AND POST are cupable as well.
Still waiting for a Western news source to call the US administration terrorists.
Murders.
If venezuela had nuclear weapons none of this would have happened.
Acting surprised after seeing the unlimited support by USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, UAE, India, China, Russia, Ukraine support for genociding the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank is funny to me.
Now we see Canadian and Mexican afraid to even call the US out because no one will come to rescue them if the US did the same. And they deserve it.
Nothing lower to me than killing children and babies, so my expectations are non existing for such government and people.
We call that the price of freedomtm
The Lord Farquad rule
Does that include the boat murders ?
Just stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein and Trump please.
